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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #240 on: January 04, 2021, 03:52:56 pm »
Roelants NUMBER 69 is sitting at 81st only 7 places in front of J.A.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #241 on: January 04, 2021, 04:03:07 pm »
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« Reply #242 on: January 04, 2021, 04:09:53 pm »
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« Reply #243 on: January 04, 2021, 04:22:19 pm »
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« Reply #244 on: January 04, 2021, 04:29:29 pm »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #245 on: January 04, 2021, 04:50:56 pm »
Iím thoroughly upset about Price and Walkners bike issues! I mean címon KTM, clutch and fuel supply issues on the 2nd day? Itís not like they havenít been doing this for years already. Mechanical issues halfway through, sure, but this is unacceptable especially given the pressure of having to take the title back.

Thereís only one person that has what it takes to take back No1 for KTM, especially at their current deficit, and thatís Price. There are many riding gods on this forum But this guy is next-level.

Sunderland and Walkner are good, actually just... ďmehĒ, but with the stiff competition lately it needs a special kind of rider and Price is a special kind of fíed-up luckily.

If youíre a Dakar fan, have a look at what a machine this guy is and his abilities:

https://youtu.be/ECcGSo28dmk

Kurt Caselli called it when Price was enlisted as the water boy and got podium on his FIRST Dakar. Took Brabec about 5 tries? Ignoring that his ride gave him quite a bit of troubles previously of course.

The Ricky Brabec segment is also pretty good - Also a guy with a lot of talent. Personally I think besides Price, KTM can do a lot better ito riders,

Brabec:

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« Reply #246 on: January 04, 2021, 04:53:05 pm »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #247 on: January 04, 2021, 04:56:18 pm »
Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...


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« Reply #248 on: January 04, 2021, 05:05:11 pm »
I would say that the top of the field has grown a lot with TP and Brabec being the top two riders out there. If either of them make any serious mistakes there is a whole host of guys ready to take the win.

Regarding the time TP lost today, fuel issue aside, it was clearly a very hard stage to open. Someone made the comment over on advrider that something TP was struggling with is reading the terrain in advance which is what the aliens like Despres and Coma were really good at doing. They were able to keep the lead from the front. If you look at the clip of TP in the sand earlier you can see he eventually got over the first dune just to ride into a hole. With the new roadbook rules now well established the whole navigation challenge has changed. You are effectively riding blind following the roadbook, no more map men assistance so just being the fastest rider is not good enough. That said, TP has what it takes to win again and it is likely between him and Brabec for 1st place this year I think.

I suspect the new roadbook rules would eventually result in delivering another Alien who can navigate blind and still lead. Maybe TP gets there eventually, will have to wait and see.

Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...

He's 16th and he's got Mike Horn (a saffa) navigating for him as far as I know.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #249 on: January 04, 2021, 08:19:36 pm »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #250 on: January 04, 2021, 08:45:35 pm »
Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...


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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #251 on: January 04, 2021, 09:00:58 pm »
Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...


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You mentioned "riding gods", Peterhansel probably the top riding God the Dakar ever saw. Bikes and cars, equally good.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #252 on: January 04, 2021, 09:47:17 pm »
I just have a funny feeling that Toby is going to leave Dakar sooner than later.  He's been a flat-out desert racer, that's what he wants to do and one get's the impression that things are just getting way too sedate and complicated for his liking - for me he's demeanor has changed a lot, especially since last year. 

I noticed that he's really been enjoying the Trophy trucks, especially combining it with the bike and focusing on the double at the Finke Rally. Maybe that will be enough to give him his adrenaline rush so it balances out with the 'new, more sedate Dakar'.

I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #253 on: January 04, 2021, 09:58:53 pm »
I just have a funny feeling that Toby is going to leave Dakar sooner than later.  He's been a flat-out desert racer, that's what he wants to do and one get's the impression that things are just getting way too sedate and complicated for his liking - for me he's demeanor has changed a lot, especially since last year. 

I noticed that he's really been enjoying the Trophy trucks, especially combining it with the bike and focusing on the double at the Finke Rally. Maybe that will be enough to give him his adrenaline rush so it balances out with the 'new, more sedate Dakar'.

I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

Exactly, who needs to read terrain better than a desert racer?

Like those old-style American desert races, with hundreds of bikes starting in one long line next to each other, and all racing as fast as possible towards a distant bottle neck. :ricky: :eek7: :eek7:
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #254 on: January 04, 2021, 09:59:12 pm »
I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

I think you misunderstood the point that was made. Niemand sÍ hy kan nie terrein lees nie, daar is net gesÍ dat hy dit nie noodwendig so goed doen soos wat die aliens vantevore dit kon doen nie en dit is juis wat nodig is met die nuwe roadbook reels. Regarding dakar not being flat out, the pace was still very fast today.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #255 on: January 04, 2021, 11:05:34 pm »
I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

I think you misunderstood the point that was made. Niemand sÍ hy kan nie terrein lees nie, daar is net gesÍ dat hy dit nie noodwendig so goed doen soos wat die aliens vantevore dit kon doen nie en dit is juis wat nodig is met die nuwe roadbook reels. Regarding dakar not being flat out, the pace was still very fast today.

Ag tjom, help nie ons debateer oor bedoelinge. "Not good at reading terrain" does not equate to "hy kan nie terrein lees".

 Feit is dat daardie 'aliens' hulle roadbooks baie lank kon 'bestudeer', unlike die un-alien like Price! As jy weet wat ek bedoel  :snorting:
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #256 on: January 04, 2021, 11:08:26 pm »
I just have a funny feeling that Toby is going to leave Dakar sooner than later.  He's been a flat-out desert racer, that's what he wants to do and one get's the impression that things are just getting way too sedate and complicated for his liking - for me he's demeanor has changed a lot, especially since last year. 

I noticed that he's really been enjoying the Trophy trucks, especially combining it with the bike and focusing on the double at the Finke Rally. Maybe that will be enough to give him his adrenaline rush so it balances out with the 'new, more sedate Dakar'.

I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

Exactly, who needs to read terrain better than a desert racer?

Like those old-style American desert races, with hundreds of bikes starting in one long line next to each other, and all racing as fast as possible towards a distant bottle neck. :ricky: :eek7: :eek7:

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #257 on: January 05, 2021, 01:14:55 am »
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"?
 

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« Reply #258 on: January 05, 2021, 06:10:59 am »
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"? - MEN ARE FROM MARS  :imaposer:
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #259 on: January 05, 2021, 06:21:04 am »
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"?

The ability to read a road book, read terrain, navigate, all at once while riding flat out and making it look easy, when everyone around them are struggling and breaking bikes and getting lost. They are "aliens", the Dakar has always had a few.  :thumleft:
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