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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2020, 09:14:17 am »
All this yada yada about forks and shocks makes me wonder who are the really good riders? The men and the boys? Is it the ones who can't do without the biggest stanchions, the longest travel, the most progressive springs, the 'dampingest' damping, the most adjustment settings? Who dismiss yesterday's greatest as today's rubbish? :deal:



Or the ones who just ride.....?
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2020, 09:24:09 am »
One has to wonder whether a relatively small company like KTM would be able to carry parts for this staggering model line-up.


Lol.  KTM has something like a 15% market share globally....Not exactly a mom and pop shop. And the 890 would share like 90% of it's parts with the 790.
   
In SA I would say they are have one of the better dealer networks.  Where do you even go to buy a Honda? 
 

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2020, 09:25:05 am »
All this yada yada about forks and shocks makes me wonder who are the really good riders? The men and the boys? Is it the ones who can't do without the biggest stanchions, the longest travel, the most progressive springs, the 'dampingest' damping, the most adjustment settings? Who dismiss yesterday's greatest as today's rubbish? :deal:



Or the ones who just ride.....?

I dont get this?
Are you saying suspension quality doesnt matter?

I had an 1190, struggled with bottoming out so upgraded the suspension. Now I have a 265mm travel 990, and one can definitely take much harder hits and go much faster in tough terrain than with a lesser suspension. There is no gritting your teeth anymore when you hit a washout, or jump a cattle grid, not its a grin.

Where I do agree with you is wrt this:   


peteb "The suspension has been it's biggest drawback, give it some adjustability and it would have tempted me when it first came out.''

Did your wife test ride it and found the suspension not good enough?
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2020, 09:58:20 am »
One has to wonder whether a relatively small company like KTM would be able to carry parts for this staggering model line-up.


Lol.  KTM has something like a 15% market share globally....Not exactly a mom and pop shop. And the 890 would share like 90% of it's parts with the 790.
   
In SA I would say they are have one of the better dealer networks.  Where do you even go to buy a Honda?
Any Honda dealership
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2020, 09:59:10 am »
Lots of BIG Noise being bantered around....  :lol8: and some xxx rated comments making no sense... too much cappuccino and muffins most probably... :spitcoffee:
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2020, 10:06:55 am »
Lots of BIG Noise being bantered around....  :lol8: and some xxx rated comments making no sense... too much cappuccino and muffins most probably... :spitcoffee:



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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2020, 10:22:35 am »
Usually most "KTM you get a free dog" comments made by people who has never owned a KTM.
It is the brand that gets man handled the most.
Great bikes. Exciting bikes.
All that negative blasting from social platforms is doing absolutely zilch to the success of the brand.

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2020, 10:23:11 am »
All this yada yada about forks and shocks makes me wonder who are the really good riders? The men and the boys? Is it the ones who can't do without the biggest stanchions, the longest travel, the most progressive springs, the 'dampingest' damping, the most adjustment settings? Who dismiss yesterday's greatest as today's rubbish? :deal:



Or the ones who just ride.....?

I dont get this?
Are you saying suspension quality doesnt matter?

I had an 1190, struggled with bottoming out so upgraded the suspension. Now I have a 265mm travel 990, and one can definitely take much harder hits and go much faster in tough terrain than with a lesser suspension. There is no gritting your teeth anymore when you hit a washout, or jump a cattle grid, not its a grin.

Where I do agree with you is wrt this:   


peteb "The suspension has been it's biggest drawback, give it some adjustability and it would have tempted me when it first came out.''

Did your wife test ride it and found the suspension not good enough?
Molten I regard suspension as the most important part of getting a bike set up. I fiddle with shims stacks (had a 950S and although it was pretty good out of the box I changed a bit and got it much better, and have always changed internals on the plastics) and my own home built vacuum bleeder for servicing. I put much more emphasis on suspension than I do, for example, getting more power out of a motor. So when KTM released the standard 790 I was pretty bummed, because there isn't much to adjust (only very poor shock preload) and you would have to be diving inside the whole time to try and tweak it, and once set up nothing you could change out on the road/trail. It was a cop out. And yes I know Mr Birch will ride the standard faster than anything I could even with factory suspension, but that's not the point.
This bike isn't solely for my wife, it's for me, and both of us. We took it on a test drive but that's it. I want something I can take alone through Lesotho, or otherwise we can both go out riding together. The 950S was a wonderful bike, but it was too tall when we were together. The standard 790 has a lower stance, a nice seat for her, a bit higher screen for touring, and other odds and ends which the 790R doesn't have. This isn't going to be my offroad bike, I have plastics for when I want to do that kind of riding. But the 'S' as it currently stands just doesn't have the capabilities I would want from a multi purpose bike.
That's why I was so keen on the Norden, would be a nice compromise between 'S' and "R', but unfortunately quite a while before we see that in SA (that is aside from a few misgivings I have about Husky backup in KZN).
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2020, 10:36:05 am »
One has to wonder whether a relatively small company like KTM would be able to carry parts for this staggering model line-up.


Lol.  KTM has something like a 15% market share globally....Not exactly a mom and pop shop. And the 890 would share like 90% of it's parts with the 790.
   
In SA I would say they are have one of the better dealer networks.  Where do you even go to buy a Honda?
Any Honda dealership

Do they hide the bikes behind the Jazz's?



 

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2020, 10:38:47 am »
cool I understand better now pete.

And agree with not waiting for a bike to be released to buy, but buy what is available already, or you may just also end up waiting 4 years.

Sounds like you did not buy anything, so saving up till then that means you can now afford a Lesotho bike for each of you!
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2020, 10:39:20 am »
KTM need the "marketing award of the year"!!
Now that the 890 is out and the 790 is not worth a cent............ :pot:
and all and everyone moans about it...........they will still sell like hot-cakes because they have got "some people" so well sussed-out :patch: that they know the orders will pour in .........
What a marketing hit! :peepwall: :ricky:
 

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2020, 10:45:58 am »
KTM need the "marketing award of the year"!!
Now that the 890 is out and the 790 is not worth a cent............ :pot:
and all and everyone moans about it...........they will still sell like hot-cakes because they have got "some people" so well sussed-out :patch: that they know the orders will pour in .........
What a marketing hit! :peepwall: :ricky:

Marketing?

I want a modern and offroad focussed adventure bike and intend to buy next year. What else should I get?
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2020, 11:04:51 am »
When you spend a gazillion rand on a bike you need the best suspension. Otherwise why spend the money? You need to justify it, like a politician buying yet another Merc.

If you're like me, you buy what you can afford and ride it coz it's free.

I'm not a riding god but can ride ok. And those that are faster than me are faster riders. Period. Doesn't matter what bike they're on, I'll come second. (which, incidentally, is a good thing when riding people, not bikes).

But then again, if buying an 890 was pocket change to me, I'd probably buy one.

And I'd probably spend all my days justifying it to the poor folk ............. you have to ................ it's called General Bike Related Banter
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2020, 11:09:01 am »
KTM need the "marketing award of the year"!!
Now that the 890 is out and the 790 is not worth a cent............ :pot:
and all and everyone moans about it...........they will still sell like hot-cakes because they have got "some people" so well sussed-out :patch: that they know the orders will pour in .........
What a marketing hit! :peepwall: :ricky:

Marketing?

I want a modern and offroad focussed adventure bike and intend to buy next year. What else should I get?

Exactly.   KTM have kinda changed the game with this bike and design. Adding a few extra horses, why not?

My mates are die hard Triumph fans, all frothing over the Tiger 900....But KTM has done more, with less. For less money.
 

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2020, 11:14:12 am »
KTM need the "marketing award of the year"!!
Now that the 890 is out and the 790 is not worth a cent............ :pot:
and all and everyone moans about it...........they will still sell like hot-cakes because they have got "some people" so well sussed-out :patch: that they know the orders will pour in .........
What a marketing hit! :peepwall: :ricky:

Marketing?

I want a modern and offroad focussed adventure bike and intend to buy next year. What else should I get?

Aftrica Twin - Awesome engine - heavy and suspension is generally dodgy. Bottomed out way more times than was necessary. Comfortable 2 up. 229 kg from 180 k
T7 - Heard that the suspension is not the best. bottoms out. 3 or 4 years to get to market -  Price on request. 204 kg
BMW 850 - Heavy, heavy, heavy - from R206 k 225 kg
790 / 890 R - decent suspension, comfortable 2 up, easy to flick around and relatively light. can pick a new 790 from R195 k up 189 kg
 

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2020, 11:16:30 am »
When you spend a gazillion rand on a bike you need the best suspension. Otherwise why spend the money? You need to justify it, like a politician buying yet another Merc.

If you're like me, you buy what you can afford and ride it coz it's free.

I'm not a riding god but can ride ok. And those that are faster than me are faster riders. Period. Doesn't matter what bike they're on, I'll come second. (which, incidentally, is a good thing when riding people, not bikes).

But then again, if buying an 890 was pocket change to me, I'd probably buy one.

And I'd probably spend all my days justifying it to the poor folk ............. you have to ................ it's called General Bike Related Banter


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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2020, 11:17:21 am »
KTM need the "marketing award of the year"!!
Now that the 890 is out and the 790 is not worth a cent............ :pot:
and all and everyone moans about it...........they will still sell like hot-cakes because they have got "some people" so well sussed-out :patch: that they know the orders will pour in .........
What a marketing hit! :peepwall: :ricky:

Marketing?

I want a modern and offroad focussed adventure bike and intend to buy next year. What else should I get?

Aftrica Twin - Awesome engine - heavy and suspension is generally dodgy. Bottomed out way more times than was necessary. Comfortable 2 up. 229 kg from 180 k
T7 - Heard that the suspension is not the best. bottoms out. 3 or 4 years to get to market -  Price on request. 204 kg
BMW 850 - Heavy, heavy, heavy - from R206 k 225 kg
790 / 890 R - decent suspension, comfortable 2 up, easy to flick around and relatively light. can pick a new 790 from R195 k up 189 kg

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2020, 11:20:49 am »
KTM need the "marketing award of the year"!!
Now that the 890 is out and the 790 is not worth a cent............ :pot:
and all and everyone moans about it...........they will still sell like hot-cakes because they have got "some people" so well sussed-out :patch: that they know the orders will pour in .........
What a marketing hit! :peepwall: :ricky:

Marketing?

I want a modern and offroad focussed adventure bike and intend to buy next year. What else should I get?

Aftrica Twin - Awesome engine - heavy and suspension is generally dodgy. Bottomed out way more times than was necessary. Comfortable 2 up. 229 kg from 180 k
T7 - Heard that the suspension is not the best. bottoms out. 3 or 4 years to get to market -  Price on request. 204 kg
BMW 850 - Heavy, heavy, heavy - from R206 k 225 kg
790 / 890 R - decent suspension, comfortable 2 up, easy to flick around and relatively light. can pick a new 790 from R195 k up 189 kg

Pasop, netnou word jy gesien as n bemarker

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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2020, 11:29:11 am »
If one wants a bike with suspension, one does not buy a bike with suspension components from  White Power B.V. some funny wishbone contraption acting as a spring-thingy like any BMW boxer, the 1150 range the pits of them all!

I fixed that for you - and yes, I had one, glad to get rid of that heavy deathtrap.
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Re: KTM 890 Adventure R and Adventure R Rally
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2020, 11:40:38 am »
I'd bet a dollar to a dog turd none of the following issues in the following videos, narrated by Safrican, Johan van Chubbytits Johnstone, will plague the T7. 

Instead of 'Ready to Race', KTM products are typically 'Ready for a Refund'. 

I wish I knew the number of 790's KTM has had to repurchase here in the USA, I bet the number is huge.





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