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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1960 on: November 19, 2021, 10:40:11 am »
I will just leave this here to clear up those gross misconceptions by some  8)

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Reckon Fernandez one to watch for the future, he did really well in his first Moto 2 season. More wins than Gardner.

He had better be a regular to the podium, or the little shite will be one of those riders who teams will choose to avoid in future.  He seems to be a bigger whinger than Zarco, Espargaro and Vinales combined.

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Within how many seconds off the fastest rider tomorrow?

(same conditions, obviously)

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Yesterday, young Master Darryn did well.  By the end of the day he had improved his personal best by just over 9s per lap.  He finished the day about 4,3s of the fastest rider, who was Nakagami, probably on the 22 Honda.  It is difficult to say, but Wilco Zeelenberg, Team Manager for the new WithU team is a wily old fox and probably had DB ride the older 2019 Yamaha with some rather severe turning down of the fuel taps.  DB did not even use the ride height device, for instance. He did that to great effect with Quartararo when he was a rookie under his care.  He wanted then to learn to handle the bike well, before using all the power.

Some interesting time gaps for DB:

- To Nakagami (Fastest):  4,43s
- To BB33: older sibling (P10): 3,66s
- To FQ20: world champion (P9): 3,73s
- To RF: hot shot rookie (P19): 2,66s
- To AD04: experienced team mate (P18): 3,15s

In a few minutes, day 2 starts.  I reckon most teams will roll out their 2022 spec bikes after their riders set proper baselines with their normal race bikes yesterday.   

How far will DB40 be off the fastest rider?  Be positive man!  He will be the fastest rider!   :imaposer:
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1961 on: November 19, 2021, 10:49:26 am »
I will just leave this here to clear up those gross misconceptions by some  8)

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Reckon Fernandez one to watch for the future, he did really well in his first Moto 2 season. More wins than Gardner.

He had better be a regular to the podium, or the little shite will be one of those riders who teams will choose to avoid in future.  He seems to be a bigger whinger than Zarco, Espargaro and Vinales combined.
Pedro Acosta, I saw an interview he reminds me a bit of Rossi in his 125 days. Think Honda should sign him now

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1962 on: November 19, 2021, 11:03:22 am »
I will just leave this here to clear up those gross misconceptions by some  8)

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Reckon Fernandez one to watch for the future, he did really well in his first Moto 2 season. More wins than Gardner.

He had better be a regular to the podium, or the little shite will be one of those riders who teams will choose to avoid in future.  He seems to be a bigger whinger than Zarco, Espargaro and Vinales combined.
Pedro Acosta, I saw an interview he reminds me a bit of Rossi in his 125 days. Think Honda should sign him now

Young Raul p'd me off when he complained about his quick promotion to MotoGP.  He, so he whined, would have preferred another year in Moto2 so he could win the championship.  He also indicated he would have preferred a Yamaha ride in MotoGP.  Then, after the last race he actually said that he was robbed of the championship because the team didn't support him.  The team who took him to Rookie of the Year, 2nd in the championship, part of the Team Champions team, they didn't support him.  He deserves to find the kitty litter frequently!   
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1963 on: November 19, 2021, 11:55:49 am »
DB40 out on track.  Almost 1s faster than his best time yesterday.  This while the fastest time did not improve.  Good sign. :thumleft:
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1964 on: November 19, 2021, 12:26:27 pm »
Eish!  Those top speeds!  Today so far:

Top riders all touch 280 - 290.

AD04:  273
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1965 on: November 19, 2021, 12:41:48 pm »
Pecco goes 1.36

 Wonder if they gonna crack a sub 1.36 today?

Q2 results from Jerez race in may.

1   20   Fabio QUARTARARO   FRA   Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   288.0   1'36.755   
2   21   Franco MORBIDELLI   ITA   Petronas Yamaha SRT   Yamaha   287.2   1'36.812   0.057 / 0.057
3   43   Jack MILLER   AUS   Ducati Lenovo Team   Ducati   298.3   1'36.860   0.105 / 0.048
4   63   Francesco BAGNAIA   ITA   Ducati Lenovo Team   Ducati   295.8   1'36.960   0.205 / 0.100
5   30   Takaaki NAKAGAMI   JPN   LCR Honda IDEMITSU   Honda   287.2   1'37.008   0.253 / 0.048
6   5   Johann ZARCO   FRA   Pramac Racing   Ducati   294.2   1'37.054   0.299 / 0.046
7   12   Maverick VIŅALES   SPA   Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   288.0   1'37.070   0.315 / 0.016
8   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   288.7   1'37.085   0.330 / 0.015
9   42   Alex RINS   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   289.5   1'37.124   0.369 / 0.039
10   36   Joan MIR   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   287.2   1'37.154   0.399 / 0.030
11   33   Brad BINDER   RSA   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   288.0   1'37.467   0.712 / 0.313
12   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   Honda HRC   Honda   291.8   1'37.502   0.747 / 0.035


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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1966 on: November 19, 2021, 01:12:32 pm »
That looks just like a normal finishing order in a 2021 race - nothing special happening yet -  :biggrin:
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1967 on: November 19, 2021, 06:11:53 pm »
Certainly looks like Pecco means business :deal:

5 different manufacturers at the top of the time sheets.

1   =   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP)   1m 36.872s   12/42
2   =   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.452s   67/68
3   ^5   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +0.551s   54/59
4   ^3   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +0.624s   46/46
5   ˅2   Maverick Vinales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP)   +0.750s   67/72
6   =   Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +0.762s   59/69
7   ˅3   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +0.800s   4/36
8   ^1   Enea Bastianini   ITA   Gresini Ducati (GP)   +0.826s   20/22
9   ^7   Jack Miller   AUS   Ducati Lenovo (GP)   +0.845s   38/39
10   ˅5   Alex Marquez   SPA   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +0.888s   56/56
11   =   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +1.070s   45/46
12   ˅2   Luca Marini   ITA   VR46 Ducati (GP)   +1.153s   11/56
13   ^5   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1)   +1.157s   54/58
14   ˅2   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +1.213s   6/52
15   ˅2    Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +1.228s   5/30
16   ˅2   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP)   +1.277s   47/55
17   ˅2   Johann Zarco   FRA   Pramac Ducati (GP)   +1.288s   20/65
18   ˅1   Jorge Martin   SPA   Pramac Ducati (GP)   +1.563s   11/34
19   ^4   Fabio di Giannantonio   ITA   Gresini Ducati (GP)*   +1.656s   43/45
20   =   Raul Fernandez   SPA   KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   +1.819s   53/55
21   ^1   Lorenzo Savadori   ITA   Aprilia Test Rider (RS-GP)   +1.852s   45/50
22   ˅1   Remy Gardner   AUS   KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   +1.856s   62/64
23   ^1   Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR)   +2.168s   54/56
24   ˅5   Dani Pedrosa   SPA   KTM Test Rider (RC16)   +2.313s   45/58
25   =   Marco Bezzecchi   ITA   VR46 Ducati (GP)*   +2.440s   54/62
26   =   Darryn Binder   RSA   WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1)*   +3.364s   41/51
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1968 on: November 19, 2021, 07:21:03 pm »
Are these times on the 2022 bikes ?
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1969 on: November 20, 2021, 07:51:49 am »
Are these times on the 2022 bikes ?

Some not all - most testing parts that will make up a 22 bike. Looks like Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Ducati have their new engines there.
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« Reply #1970 on: November 20, 2021, 10:59:37 am »
Eish!  End of season for MotoGP.  Now we wait for 5 February 2022 for the first testing and 6 March 2022 for the first race.  Oh woe is me!  The only way to keep myself busy is choosing between fishing, shooting, biking and arguing with Kilroy about free canteen lunches.  Whichever will I pick!?  Ah well.

Testing from Jerez:

Darryn Binder did well.  He only fell off once.  He improved his lap times by about 10s from start day 1 to end day 2.  He finished day 2 only 3,069s of the best time which was set by Pecco Bagnaia at 1'36,872 which is almost 1s faster than the track record set by Fabio Quartararo during the 2021 race there.  Of course, conditions makes a huge difference, so it is hard to say, but it seems the Ducatis will be lightning fast next year.  Well, in the hands of Pecco anyway, because the next fastest Ducati was 6 spots back.  That said, who knows who was testing what?

Yamaha (and I am a huge Yamaha fan), what the heck are you doing?  First official testing of the 2022 season.  The different manufacturers roll out all sorts of nifty new things, such as frames, fairings, engines, etc.  Yamaha rock up with the same bike they had the riders test in the middle of the year.  Nothing new.  Dovi said this 2022 bike brakes better and is slightly more powerful than the bike he raced this year.  He raced a bloody 2019 bike!  There should be a big jump.  Also, all manufacturers had test riders there.  Some even two.  Yamaha?  Zip, zero, zilch, nada, fokol!  Not one.  What are they paying Cal Crutchlow for?

Marc Marquez:

Is his career over?  I am not an MM93 fan, but have great respect for his riding ability and would hate to see him have to retire way too early.  After his crash during training he missed the Valencia race and the testing the past two days.  HRC says he will only be medically checked just before Christmas, after which decisions for 2022 will be made.  There is a paddock rumour going around, that Honda is planning for a late, or non-return for MM next year.  Apparently they will put Alex Marquez on the Repsol Honda and move Iker Lecuona from WSBK to the LCR bike vacated by AM73.  It sounds a tad far fetched to me, but hey, anything is possible these days.

Thing is, MM93 has now been in MotoGP for 9 seasons.  His record is remarkable reading.  6 world titles, 59 wins, 99 podiums.  There is an ugly one though.  122 crashes.  That is very high, especially as he sat out most of one of those 9 seasons.  Then, even after the disasterous 2020 season, he entered 2021 and crashed 22 times.  Only Iker Lecuona crashed more at 23, but he participated in three more races.  Is there anything to the paddock story about a Honda Curse ruining riders before their time?  Names mentioned are Freddie Spencer, Mick Doohan, Jorge Lorenzo and Casey Stoner.   I hope, if there is a Honda curse, it doesn't get MM93.  I'd so much rather see Pecco, Brad, Darryn, Dovi, or one of those get him fair and square on the track.



 



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« Reply #1972 on: November 21, 2021, 01:45:02 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?
 

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« Reply #1973 on: November 21, 2021, 04:49:29 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.
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« Reply #1974 on: November 22, 2021, 01:41:44 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.

All eggs in one basket is never a good idea.  Honda learnt that the hard way.  It seems Yamaha is now on that route.  It was very interesting to note how the Ducati top dudes, including Gigi and his boss, scoot over to the Bastianinni pit every time Bastianinni pulled in, to listen to his feedback as well.

I so hope I am wrong, but I dear we may experience a Ducati Festival instead of MotoGP racing next year.
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« Reply #1975 on: November 22, 2021, 01:52:29 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.

All eggs in one basket is never a good idea.  Honda learnt that the hard way.  It seems Yamaha is now on that route.  It was very interesting to note how the Ducati top dudes, including Gigi and his boss, scoot over to the Bastianinni pit every time Bastianinni pulled in, to listen to his feedback as well.

I so hope I am wrong, but I dear we may experience a Ducati Festival instead of MotoGP racing next year.

I also do fear a Duke Cup scenario  :o  They were definitely the most upbeat about their 2022 bike during testing and it seems it is largely dialed in already. Quart on the other hand was clearly miffed and applying as much diplomatic pressure as possible on Yamaha to get their shite together. I see red in his future - not just red mist.
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« Reply #1976 on: November 22, 2021, 01:56:12 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.

All eggs in one basket is never a good idea.  Honda learnt that the hard way.  It seems Yamaha is now on that route.  It was very interesting to note how the Ducati top dudes, including Gigi and his boss, scoot over to the Bastianinni pit every time Bastianinni pulled in, to listen to his feedback as well.

I so hope I am wrong, but I dear we may experience a Ducati Festival instead of MotoGP racing next year.

I also do fear a Duke Cup scenario  :o  They were definitely the most upbeat about their 2022 bike during testing and it seems it is largely dialed in already. Quart on the other hand was clearly miffed and applying as much diplomatic pressure as possible on Yamaha to get their shite together. I see red in his future - not just red mist.

Can you imagine being on one of the Yamahas or Suzukis leading onto the main straight at Mugello with 5 Ducatis behind you!? 
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1977 on: November 22, 2021, 02:02:39 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.

All eggs in one basket is never a good idea.  Honda learnt that the hard way.  It seems Yamaha is now on that route.  It was very interesting to note how the Ducati top dudes, including Gigi and his boss, scoot over to the Bastianinni pit every time Bastianinni pulled in, to listen to his feedback as well.

I so hope I am wrong, but I dear we may experience a Ducati Festival instead of MotoGP racing next year.

I also do fear a Duke Cup scenario  :o  They were definitely the most upbeat about their 2022 bike during testing and it seems it is largely dialed in already. Quart on the other hand was clearly miffed and applying as much diplomatic pressure as possible on Yamaha to get their shite together. I see red in his future - not just red mist.

Can you imagine being on one of the Yamahas or Suzukis leading onto the main straight at Mugello with 5 Ducatis behind you!?

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1978 on: November 22, 2021, 02:16:37 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.

All eggs in one basket is never a good idea.  Honda learnt that the hard way.  It seems Yamaha is now on that route.  It was very interesting to note how the Ducati top dudes, including Gigi and his boss, scoot over to the Bastianinni pit every time Bastianinni pulled in, to listen to his feedback as well.

I so hope I am wrong, but I dear we may experience a Ducati Festival instead of MotoGP racing next year.

I also do fear a Duke Cup scenario  :o  They were definitely the most upbeat about their 2022 bike during testing and it seems it is largely dialed in already. Quart on the other hand was clearly miffed and applying as much diplomatic pressure as possible on Yamaha to get their shite together. I see red in his future - not just red mist.

Can you imagine being on one of the Yamahas or Suzukis leading onto the main straight at Mugello with 5 Ducatis behind you!?

Or 8!  ::)  8)

I said 5, to leave out the 2021 Ducatis.  It will be difficult enough with the 5 2022 Ducatis there already!  With all 8 there, I'd retire to the closest pub.  At least an M1 will get me there pretty quick.   :snorting:
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #1979 on: November 22, 2021, 02:16:43 pm »
Rumors are that MM injury is similar to the one he had in 2011. Damage to eye muscles that required surgery back then. That almost ended his career then, will it end it now ?

Yes indeed - same type of injury and lots of speculation regarding if he will even race in 2022. It will be re-assessed in December and Honda will make a call then. I am not sure they can do a another year like this one being out on a limb (so to speak ;) ) not knowing from race to race what lies ahead and unable to gain momentum and gather meaningful telemetry and development data.  :o  Just another example of how putting all ones eggs in one basket can backfire.

All eggs in one basket is never a good idea.  Honda learnt that the hard way.  It seems Yamaha is now on that route.  It was very interesting to note how the Ducati top dudes, including Gigi and his boss, scoot over to the Bastianinni pit every time Bastianinni pulled in, to listen to his feedback as well.

I so hope I am wrong, but I dear we may experience a Ducati Festival instead of MotoGP racing next year.

I also do fear a Duke Cup scenario  :o  They were definitely the most upbeat about their 2022 bike during testing and it seems it is largely dialed in already. Quart on the other hand was clearly miffed and applying as much diplomatic pressure as possible on Yamaha to get their shite together. I see red in his future - not just red mist.

Can you imagine being on one of the Yamahas or Suzukis leading onto the main straight at Mugello with 5 Ducatis behind you!?
But they are still behind you  >:D I for one will stop watching if it becomes a Ducati Cup. By sheer numbers the euro's are becoming desperate to win.
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