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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2021, 01:18:30 pm »
Wait now...are your stats correct for the 90s?  If i recall correctly there was a Ozzie oke called Micky Doohan?
 

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2021, 01:23:47 pm »
Wait now...are your stats correct for the 90s?  If i recall correctly there was a Ozzie oke called Micky Doohan?

Are we now not discussing the change from the USA/GB riders to It/Sp riders, but rather the accuracy / inaccuracy of the figures I showed?  :imaposer:

Anyway, the stats for 1990 are correct.  He is one of the 2 riders I listed under 1990.  The other was Wayne Garner.
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2021, 01:29:34 pm »
O sorry, see now what you did, counted the top 15 riders.  If you think of the battles from 85 to late 90s it was lawson, rainey, schwanz, gardener, randy, doohan, etc.. even before that incl spencer.. 

From 83 to 98 the campion was either from the US or Oz

Thereafter an Italian era

Lately its all Spain.

 

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2021, 01:31:38 pm »
O sorry, see now what you did, counted the top 15 riders.  If you think of the battles from 85 to late 90s it was lawson, rainey, schwanz, gardener, randy, doohan, etc.. even before that incl spencer.. 

From 83 to 98 the campion was either from the US or Oz

Thereafter an Italian era

Lately its all Spain.

As I said, I only took the top 15 of that particular year.  1990 is therefore 1990 only and not the 90's.

There was definitely and American era and then a Australian era.  These days it is basically ONE FORKING SPANIARD!  :biggrin:

It would be interesting to give GP points to the countries as earned by their riders to see which country did the best in a given year, for instance an Italian won, but there were Americans 2, 3 and 4th.  Too much for just before my nap time though.
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2021, 01:37:43 pm »
Can you pull stats of the 1sr 2d and 3rd racers from 83 - 2000? 
 

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2021, 01:40:55 pm »
Can you pull stats of the 1sr 2d and 3rd racers from 83 - 2000?

For each year?  You sound like my math teacher in the last period on Friday!   :o

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2021, 01:51:35 pm »
1983:  Spencer, Robert, Mamola.  3 x US.  (For interest sake 4th was Lawson, also US)
1984:  Lawson, Mamola, Roche. 2 x US, 1 x French
1985:  Spencer, Lawson, Sarron. 2 x US, 1 by French
1986:  Lawson, Garner, Mamola. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1987:  Gardner, Mamola, Lawson.  2 x US, 1 x Aus
1988:  Lawson, Gardner, Rainey.  2 x US, 1 x Aus
1989:  Lawson, Rainey, Sarron. 2 x US, 1 x French
1990:  Rainey, Schwanz, Doohan.  2 x US, 1 x Aus.

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2021, 02:00:45 pm »
1991:  Rainey, Doohan, Schwanz. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1992:  Rainey, Doohan, Kocinski. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1993:  Schwanz, Rainey, Beattie. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1994:  Doohan, Cadalora, Kocinski. 1 x Aus, 1 x Ita, 1 x US
1995:  Doohan, Beattie, Cadalora. 2 x Uas, 1 x Ita
1996:  Doohan, Criville, Cadalora. 1 x Aus, 1 x Spn, 1 x Ita
1997:  Doohan, Okada, Aoki. 1 x Aus, 2 x Jap
1998:  Doohan, Biaggi, Criville. 1 x Aus, 1 x Ita, 1 x Spn
1999:  Criville, Robert Jnr, Okada. 1 x Spn, 1 x US, 1 x Jap
2000:  Roberts Jnr, Rossi, Biaggi.1 x US, 2 x Ita
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2021, 02:28:17 pm »
Spain is a incredible sporting nation, golf, tennis, Trials, MotoGp, F1, etc.

The reason for the US' dominating a few decades ago, is the transition a lot of their riders did from flat-tracking to roadracing, and not being frightened by a bike moving around at high speed.

The Americans took over from the straight-up, no leaning-off-the-bike Britons like Bazza, making the knee-down trend universal.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2021, 07:15:19 pm »
Spain is a incredible sporting nation, golf, tennis, Trials, MotoGp, F1, etc.

The reason for the US' dominating a few decades ago, is the transition a lot of their riders did from flat-tracking to roadracing, and not being frightened by a bike moving around at high speed.

The Americans took over from the straight-up, no leaning-off-the-bike Britons like Bazza, making the knee-down trend universal.

The Americans were extremely good at bike handling due to their flat-track racing skills and therefore the era known as the American invasion.

I don't know the US bike history so well, but I get the impression bike racing (road racing or track racing) sort of collapsed in the USA in an era where it grew exponentially  in Europe.  The current MotoAmerica series who took over the AMA Superbike series under leadership of Wayne Rainey is working hard to fix that, but they are new at the game, having only started in 2015.  Their purpose is: "MotoAmerica's primary goal is to reinvigorate motorcycle road racing in North America and ultimately send its riders to the top-level international championships: MotoGP and World Superbike".  They also work to get riders into Moto 3 and Moto 2 including arranging sponsorships, etc.  They have even created an American Moto 2 team, which, in 2021, will field Cameron Beaubier, MotoAmerica Superbike Champion of 2020.  The team's Racing Director is ex-racer John Hopkins.  The team owned by Eitan Butbul and Avner Kass also created an American Rider Academy recently.



 
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2021, 09:37:05 am »
So, two teams have launched their new team colours.

First was Avintia Racing who have two title sponsors this year unveiled first.  We will see blue/black Ducatis on the grid.  This must be a first. One bike is sponsored by Avintia themselves in conjunction with Esponsorama.  The other by Sky VR46.  Avintia have already indicated that this will be their last year in MotoGP.  This announcement coupled with their very public marriage with SkyVR46 and fielding VR46's brother, sort of seals the rumour that there will be a SkyVR46 team on the grid from 2022 onward.  The question is only, what bikes will they use.  I cannot see Rossi accept 2 year old Ducatis and Suzuki is talking about a satellite team.

Second came factory Ducati now with title sponsor Lenovo.  Guess the colour of the bikes.  Indeed, no surprise.  They are, as always, red.  Very red.  Even their winglets are red.

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2021, 09:47:12 am »
So, two teams have launched their new team colours.

First was Avintia Racing who have two title sponsors this year unveiled first.  We will see blue/black Ducatis on the grid.  This must be a first. One bike is sponsored by Avintia themselves in conjunction with Esponsorama.  The other by Sky VR46.  Avintia have already indicated that this will be their last year in MotoGP.  This announcement coupled with their very public marriage with SkyVR46 and fielding VR46's brother, sort of seals the rumour that there will be a SkyVR46 team on the grid from 2022 onward.  The question is only, what bikes will they use.  I cannot see Rossi accept 2 year old Ducatis and Suzuki is talking about a satellite team.

Second came factory Ducati now with title sponsor Lenovo.  Guess the colour of the bikes.  Indeed, no surprise.  They are, as always, red.  Very red.  Even their winglets are red.
Good Lord they are starting to look like Lego Creator bikes. Suzuki's look best by a country mile, still nice and rounded in all the right places  :drif:
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2021, 10:02:23 am »
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2021, 10:26:24 am »
I saw a quick clip on Facebook about how "skelm" F1 is, with filling water tanks with little lead balls in the water after a race to get the weight up etc.

It's seems to be a lot less prevalent in MotoGP, does anyone have any stories like that?
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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2021, 01:13:12 pm »
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

That's Classic!

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2021, 01:48:46 pm »
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

That's Classic!

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Cool....

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2021, 10:22:09 pm »
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2021, 08:50:32 am »
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2021, 10:19:18 am »
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Does he not fall in the c19 high risk category?  Will they let him out ? 
 

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Re: MotoGP 2021
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2021, 12:45:41 pm »
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Does he not fall in the c19 high risk category?  Will they let him out ?
High risk because... he's old? :lol8: