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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2021, 06:36:38 pm »
I think KTM should spend some money on their model names. All these XCWEFXFEEWC shit fucks up the little english I have in my arsenal.

And that is why I can't talk off-road with anybody ................... I just like the ones with a headlight, so my bike can see where it's going, while I hang on for dear life  ...............  :biggrin:
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2021, 06:40:18 pm »
Fok dit ek koop sommer n T7

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on the 790...........
Seeing as MXA and myself are the only people around here that appreciate the role ktm has been playing in the evolution of mx tech, I saw that as a way to end this thread with an off topic joke.

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Perhaps now that KTM is so advanced in technology that the mighty HRC is copying them, according to you and not MXA, they could start working on getting the Dakar title back from the guys that copied them. :imaposer:
There are multiple issues with your statement, I'm afraid
1- I never said HRC copied them, MXA and myself said Honda copied them.

2- dramatic changes to Dakar lost KTM the title.

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2021, 03:25:12 pm »
One change is that the total rally length is way less, mostly because the liaisons are much shorter.
Also, the navigation has to be done by the pilots and there are no no longer benefits from having factory map men.
Also the field has been leveled quite a bit but the riders themselves, a lot of new blood, very fast blood who are also able to navigate well and have made it more competitive.

So my mind, its still way to close to call it. If HRC can win 7-10x in a row then maybe its time to start looking at the bike.

No doubt about it though, the latest HRC bikes are a lot improved over the ones we saw being used in South America. But you cant buy an HRC rally bike off the shelf, you CAN buy a KTM 450 RR off the shelf, and the tech the bike has in it is available for any Joe Schmo with dinero to by and is out of this world. Even then, the factory KTM bikes have additional tech still in them you cant get on a off-the-shelf.

DirtWarp is spot on with his OP, you do not see nearly the same level of tech R&D on any of the other bikes out there other than maybe the HRC Rally 450, which is not commercially available to anyone.

Hopefully there is some competition soon because my worry its all going to come to a sad end soon with the relentless snowflake push to go "green"  (supposedly) electric on all machines. ::)
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2021, 07:10:12 pm »
I want to place my hopes on e-fuel

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #104 on: March 10, 2021, 07:16:11 pm »
One change is that the total rally length is way less, mostly because the liaisons are much shorter.
Also, the navigation has to be done by the pilots and there are no no longer benefits from having factory map men.
Also the field has been leveled quite a bit but the riders themselves, a lot of new blood, very fast blood who are also able to navigate well and have made it more competitive.

So my mind, its still way to close to call it. If HRC can win 7-10x in a row then maybe its time to start looking at the bike.

No doubt about it though, the latest HRC bikes are a lot improved over the ones we saw being used in South America. But you cant buy an HRC rally bike off the shelf, you CAN buy a KTM 450 RR off the shelf, and the tech the bike has in it is available for any Joe Schmo with dinero to by and is out of this world. Even then, the factory KTM bikes have additional tech still in them you cant get on a off-the-shelf.

DirtWarp is spot on with his OP, you do not see nearly the same level of tech R&D on any of the other bikes out there other than maybe the HRC Rally 450, which is not commercially available to anyone.

Hopefully there is some competition soon because my worry its all going to come to a sad end soon with the relentless snowflake push to go "green"  (supposedly) electric on all machines. ::)

True, you can buy the KTM RR's off the shelf, but knowing that you're buying 2nd best......

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #105 on: March 10, 2021, 07:36:17 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #106 on: March 10, 2021, 07:39:04 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #107 on: March 10, 2021, 08:38:42 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #108 on: March 10, 2021, 08:48:10 pm »
450 thread hierdie. -the real race bikes.
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There's a dedicated thread for the pretenders

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #109 on: March 10, 2021, 09:08:01 pm »
Well then, if KTM can now only begin to implement this "overthemoon" tech of their's into their "overthemoon" adv bikes, there may be less engine failures on account of silly airbox designs, up to industry standard tubeless rims, bike-wash proof instruments and general electronics, and maybe overhaul just less time spent at dealers and more time to ride...  :-\
Sometimes simplicity = real technology!!! :deal:
 
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #110 on: May 13, 2021, 10:35:36 am »
Well then, if KTM can now only begin to implement this "overthemoon" tech of their's into their "overthemoon" adv bikes, there may be less engine failures on account of silly airbox designs, up to industry standard tubeless rims, bike-wash proof instruments and general electronics, and maybe overhaul just less time spent at dealers and more time to ride...  :-\
Sometimes simplicity = real technology!!! :deal:

Indeed, until then, I will have to use their real troopers as adventure bikes (450/500)

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #111 on: May 13, 2021, 10:45:01 am »
nice article about how tough as nails these clutches are: https://motocrossactionmag.com/mxa-tech-spec-whats-so-great-about-the-ktm-clutch/

hehe:
" Riders who burn up KX450, CRF450, YZ450F or RM-Z450 clutches in four motos will go months with a Belleville-washer clutch."
" One big plus of the Belleville washer’s cupped shape is that it is at maximum stiffness in the initial part of the clutch lever’s movement, but the farther the rider pulls the clutch lever, the flatter the cone shape of the cupped washer gets, which means that, unlike a coil-spring-operated clutch, a Belleville-washer clutch gets easier to pull the farther you pull it in"

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Riveted primary gear is so 2006
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"a CNC-machined steel clutch basket that never notches and will last as long as you own the bike"
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #112 on: May 13, 2021, 12:22:41 pm »
Well then, if KTM can now only begin to implement this "overthemoon" tech of their's into their "overthemoon" adv bikes, there may be less engine failures on account of silly airbox designs, up to industry standard tubeless rims, bike-wash proof instruments and general electronics, and maybe overhaul just less time spent at dealers and more time to ride...  :-\
Sometimes simplicity = real technology!!! :deal:

Indeed, until then, I will have to use their real troopers as adventure bikes (450/500)

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #113 on: May 13, 2021, 01:46:52 pm »
Tomac to Yamaha next year.
I have my doubts, but let's see

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2021, 09:29:29 am »
In other news, Husqvarna 2022 offroad models will 'feature' a BRAKTEC hydraulic clutch system..

So they went from Magura to Brembo to Braktec.

Braktec seems like some cheaper Spanish alternative.
They went the same way with their Domino throttles.

Can't say that I'm overly enthusiastic about this move.

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2021, 10:56:08 am »
Just wondering why nobody thought of making the clutch basket out of steel, before ................... including KTM.

For something so obviously better, why was steel not used years ago?

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2021, 05:44:19 pm »
Must be cost of machining it from steel vs what? Alu casting?

If everyone has a kak basket then at some point the customer just sees it as another wear item.



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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2021, 05:45:34 pm »
Just wondering why nobody thought of making the clutch basket out of steel, before ................... including KTM.

For something so obviously better, why was steel not used years ago?

Weight?
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2021, 06:00:52 pm »
why was steel not used years ago?

It was, always has been, for racing purposes etc.
A steel basket is more costly than machining an alu forging, simple economics, and the alu one will do fine - hell, we all ride wif wan mos!  :P

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2021, 07:12:04 pm »
why was steel not used years ago?

It was, always has been, for racing purposes etc.
A steel basket is more costly than machining an alu forging, simple economics, and the alu one will do fine - hell, we all ride wif wan mos!  :P

Look at the picture.
Nothing about that alu basket is 'fine'  >:D