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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2021, 12:50:29 pm »
I'm not saying you should move to ktm.
Get yourself a suzuuk and rock that decade old tech like there's no tomorrow.
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2021, 12:51:26 pm »
Ok let's make it easier, when last did they have a podium in the final standings?

There are fringe cases where top riders on factory outfits took the championship (Dakar 2020/1, world MX) but there's a reason why more than half of the final standings are on KTM.

Coming back to the suzuuk;
For a privateer, after you dropped 10kg and upped the power of the RMZ by 20%, you are exactly where the stock sxf starts.

It's just not worth the time and money

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2021, 12:56:53 pm »
I don't have any facts, links to scientific research or firsthand experience with KTMs.  Does this disqualify me from entering the argument though?  :peepwall: :pot:
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2021, 01:24:14 pm »
KTMís e start on the 2 strokes was highly unreliable until 2014 but it wasnít until 2017 that they stopped making decent dirt bikes altogether. The Mikuni carbed 2017 2 stroke was a disaster. The 2018 TPi was plagued with problems as well. They dropped the Domino throttles in 2017 and fitted their own nonsense, the footpegs turned to cheese and bent at a sniff of a rock. Apparently these new TPiís are sorted but itís taken long enough at the expense of their customers.

It was also about 2017 that KTM SA stopped stocking spares and told the dealers to bring in what they need and keep it themselves. Thatís when everything started to have a 2 week lead time. Some dealers have also sorted that now but it was bad for a while.
How reliable was the Jap 2stroke e-start and TPI?

Oh that's right, they are still building the same shit since 1990


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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2021, 02:37:23 pm »


Yeah - Imagine how Husaberg and Husqvarna must feel..... :thumleft:

Yip. A prime example of the globalization monster gobbling up unique, bi-spoke and inventive companies and shitting out carbon copies of their single vision.


Did you proof read this before pressing the submit button?

Do you realize how much tech advances have since been made?
Those companies were dieing, at least ktm prevented their knowledge from following them to the grave.

If you think it's fanboy talk, go and compare the husaberg motor to this sxf and come show me a single part that's still the same.



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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2021, 02:46:52 pm »
Ok let's make it easier, when last did they have a podium in the final standings?

There are fringe cases where top riders on factory outfits took the championship (Dakar 2020/1, world MX) but there's a reason why more than half of the final standings are on KTM.

Coming back to the suzuuk;
For a privateer, after you dropped 10kg and upped the power of the RMZ by 20%, you are exactly where the stock sxf starts.

It's just not worth the time and money

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2021, 03:18:26 pm »


Yeah - Imagine how Husaberg and Husqvarna must feel..... :thumleft:

Yip. A prime example of the globalization monster gobbling up unique, bi-spoke and inventive companies and shitting out carbon copies of their single vision.


Did you proof read this before pressing the submit button?

Do you realize how much tech advances have since been made?
Those companies were dieing, at least ktm prevented their knowledge from following them to the grave.

If you think it's fanboy talk, go and compare the husaberg motor to this sxf and come show me a single part that's still the same.



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Talk about proofread, that is exactly my point.  :imaposer:
Pray tell, what is your point?

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2021, 03:20:38 pm »
Ok let's make it easier, when last did they have a podium in the final standings?

There are fringe cases where top riders on factory outfits took the championship (Dakar 2020/1, world MX) but there's a reason why more than half of the final standings are on KTM.

Coming back to the suzuuk;
For a privateer, after you dropped 10kg and upped the power of the RMZ by 20%, you are exactly where the stock sxf starts.

It's just not worth the time and money

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You think itís the bikes and not the riders, teams and money? Itís because the bikes are so superior?


We do not operate in a vacuum do we?
Its a combo of all.

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2021, 04:11:44 pm »
In conclusion:
 "Donít buy a 2021 KTM 450SXF if you feel that the Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki are better. After all, you donít need the strongest clutch, most powerful brakes, lightest weight, broadest powerband, most accurate handling, braided steel hoses,  long- and short-throw throttle cams, easiest-to-use air filter or a Formula 1 transmission."

^^uit die perd se bek. MX Action toets nou al bikes vanaf die 70's.
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2021, 05:13:37 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2021, 05:21:20 pm »
I'm not saying you should move to ktm.
Get yourself a suzuuk and rock that decade old tech like there's no tomorrow.
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Why is the decade-old tech still competitive against KTM?  It is not like Katoom is winning in every class on the globe. :ricky:
When last dis suzuki win any off road competition exactly?

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2021, 05:39:00 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM


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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2021, 05:42:09 pm »
In conclusion:
 "Donít buy a 2021 KTM 450SXF if you feel that the Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki are better. After all, you donít need the strongest clutch, most powerful brakes, lightest weight, broadest powerband, most accurate handling, braided steel hoses,  long- and short-throw throttle cams, easiest-to-use air filter or a Formula 1 transmission."

^^uit die perd se bek. MX Action toets nou al bikes vanaf die 70's.
Maar as julle gabbas beter weet, dan weet julle beter..

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2021, 05:44:16 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2021, 05:44:39 pm »
In conclusion:
 "Donít buy a 2021 KTM 450SXF if you feel that the Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki are better. After all, you donít need the strongest clutch, most powerful brakes, lightest weight, broadest powerband, most accurate handling, braided steel hoses,  long- and short-throw throttle cams, easiest-to-use air filter or a Formula 1 transmission."

^^uit die perd se bek. MX Action toets nou al bikes vanaf die 70's.
Maar as julle gabbas beter weet, dan weet julle beter..

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2021, 05:45:36 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2021, 05:46:09 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2021, 05:47:59 pm »
Dirtwarp - It seems as if all the other magazine's rates the improvements on the new KTM - They feel it is almost up to industry standard :thumleft:
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2021, 05:49:48 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM
But seriously, do you not know that the xcf is used for enduro, which is the same motor?

Dog jy's n bike mechanic? Of is dit alleen op papier?

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2021, 05:55:14 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM
But seriously, do you not know that the xcf is used for enduro, which is the same motor?

Dog jy's n bike mechanic? Of is dit alleen op papier?

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I would not take that comment too seriously Dux - Dirtwarp is under lockdown, and obviously frustrated :laughing4:
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