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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2021, 05:58:09 pm »
In conclusion:
 "Donít buy a 2021 KTM 450SXF if you feel that the Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki are better. After all, you donít need the strongest clutch, most powerful brakes, lightest weight, broadest powerband, most accurate handling, braided steel hoses,  long- and short-throw throttle cams, easiest-to-use air filter or a Formula 1 transmission."

^^uit die perd se bek. MX Action toets nou al bikes vanaf die 70's.
Maar as julle gabbas beter weet, dan weet julle beter..

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2021, 06:01:52 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM
But seriously, do you not know that the xcf is used for enduro, which is the same motor?

Dog jy's n bike mechanic? Of is dit alleen op papier?

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The XCF is in the same category as the CRF450RX , namely a motocrosser with changes for the American GNCC series which if    you have watched it yet is like a long old style mx track , not that technical . The XCW and EXC use engines in a different state of tune to the SXF and XCF and they are used in enduroís and donít have all the fancy bits as the SXF .
As a mechanic on paper and real life I just happen to know and see these things on a regular basis .!
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2021, 06:03:20 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM
But seriously, do you not know that the xcf is used for enduro, which is the same motor?

Dog jy's n bike mechanic? Of is dit alleen op papier?

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I would not take that comment too seriously Dux - Dirtwarp is under lockdown, and obviously frustrated :laughing4:

Probably why he is flogging the dead horse
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2021, 06:04:56 pm »
In conclusion:
 "Donít buy a 2021 KTM 450SXF if you feel that the Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki are better. After all, you donít need the strongest clutch, most powerful brakes, lightest weight, broadest powerband, most accurate handling, braided steel hoses,  long- and short-throw throttle cams, easiest-to-use air filter or a Formula 1 transmission."

^^uit die perd se bek. MX Action toets nou al bikes vanaf die 70's.
Maar as julle gabbas beter weet, dan weet julle beter..

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2021, 06:11:10 pm »
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2021, 06:11:47 pm »
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM
But seriously, do you not know that the xcf is used for enduro, which is the same motor?

Dog jy's n bike mechanic? Of is dit alleen op papier?

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The XCF is in the same category as the CRF450RX , namely a motocrosser with changes for the American GNCC series which if    you have watched it yet is like a long old style mx track , not that technical . The XCW and EXC use engines in a different state of tune to the SXF and XCF and they are used in enduroís and donít have all the fancy bits as the SXF .
As a mechanic on paper and real life I just happen to know and see these things on a regular basis .!
What fancy bits did you discover in those sxf motors?
I thought it's mostly intake, exhaust and ecu differences.

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2021, 06:22:26 pm »
You were the one harping on about Pankl gearboxes and conrods , the XCWís donít have those for starters . Then there are other differences like casings , engine covers , these are thicker and heavier on enduro models . Crankshaft and flywheel are heavier along with lower compression pistons for more controllable power delivery , how far would you like me to go ?
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2021, 06:23:06 pm »

You are linking shootouts but the MXA article is related to technological prowess.

Best tech does not mean best all round bike.
Everything needs to work together.

What it does provide is incentive for guys like suz and yam, to drop their weight or honda and kaw, to add hydraulic clutches. -this is valuable, and why I value KTM's ongoing mission for evolution.
I honestly don't understand how you folks can't appreciate this?



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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2021, 06:24:21 pm »
You were the one harping on about Pankl gearboxes and conrods , the XCWís donít have those for starters . Then there are other differences like casings , engine covers , these are thicker and heavier on enduro models . Crankshaft and flywheel are heavier along with lower compression pistons for more controllable power delivery , how far would you like me to go ?
Xcw don't exist
Sxf vs xcf was the question

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2021, 06:30:20 pm »
Ok let's make it easier, when last did they have a podium in the final standings?

There are fringe cases where top riders on factory outfits took the championship (Dakar 2020/1, world MX) but there's a reason why more than half of the final standings are on KTM.

Coming back to the suzuuk;
For a privateer, after you dropped 10kg and upped the power of the RMZ by 20%, you are exactly where the stock sxf starts.

It's just not worth the time and money

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2021, 06:33:06 pm »
Dirtwarp - It seems as if all the other magazine's rates the improvements on the new KTM - They feel it is almost up to industry standard :thumleft:

Boo yah, DW  :imaposer:
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2021, 06:40:47 pm »
You were the one harping on about Pankl gearboxes and conrods , the XCWís donít have those for starters . Then there are other differences like casings , engine covers , these are thicker and heavier on enduro models . Crankshaft and flywheel are heavier along with lower compression pistons for more controllable power delivery , how far would you like me to go ?
Xcw don't exist
Sxf vs xcf was the question

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XCW does exist , that is their enduro models , and they are available in 2 and 4 stroke . The XC and XCF range are SX models with 18 inch rear wheel , sidestand and revised suspension for the GNCC series , very different demands to enduro .
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2021, 06:47:43 pm »
You were the one harping on about Pankl gearboxes and conrods , the XCWís donít have those for starters . Then there are other differences like casings , engine covers , these are thicker and heavier on enduro models . Crankshaft and flywheel are heavier along with lower compression pistons for more controllable power delivery , how far would you like me to go ?
Xcw don't exist
Sxf vs xcf was the question

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Nevermind mr. Mechanic,
Seems the SXF and XCF have the exact same:
  • engine covers
  • casings
  • Crankshaft
  • Piston
  • Conrod - yes that Pankl one
  • flywheel
  • casings

how far would you like me to go ?
 

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2021, 06:50:14 pm »
Nevermind mr. Mechanic,
Seems the SXF and XCF have the exact same:
  • engine covers
  • casings
  • Crankshaft
  • Piston
  • Conrod - yes that Pankl one
  • flywheel
  • casings

how far would you like me to go ?

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2021, 06:58:43 pm »
Nevermind mr. Mechanic,
Seems the SXF and XCF have the exact same:
  • engine covers
  • casings
  • Crankshaft
  • Piston
  • Conrod - yes that Pankl one
  • flywheel
  • casings

how far would you like me to go ?

Gaan gabba, gaan. Daai gat is nog nie diep genoeg nie.

Ek gaan nie alles snapshot nie, maar kyk of jy verskille in part nommers sien tussen SXF en XCF

As dit te klein is, click op die paslike titel van die attachment.

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2021, 07:12:39 pm »
You were the one harping on about Pankl gearboxes and conrods , the XCWís donít have those for starters . Then there are other differences like casings , engine covers , these are thicker and heavier on enduro models . Crankshaft and flywheel are heavier along with lower compression pistons for more controllable power delivery , how far would you like me to go ?
Xcw don't exist
Sxf vs xcf was the question

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Nevermind mr. Mechanic,
Seems the SXF and XCF have the exact same:
  • engine covers
  • casings
  • Crankshaft
  • Piston
  • Conrod - yes that Pankl one
  • flywheel
  • casings

how far would you like me to go ?

Where did I say they didnít , read my response above properly , want nou is jy besig om jou naam gat te maak
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2021, 07:14:26 pm »
Dirtwarp - It seems as if all the other magazine's rates the improvements on the new KTM - They feel it is almost up to industry standard :thumleft:

Boo yah, DW  :imaposer:

FFS dude, tell me any of these facts are not true:
- lightest:
- strongest brakes:
- most reliable clutch:
- braided-steel brake lines
- Pankl transmission
- Connecting rod. also made by Pankl
- 5lbs lighter electric start.

Now take all these and add them to your favorite color bike.
Will it not be improved?

Now thank KTM for introducing the tech to the MX world
 
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2021, 07:27:56 pm »
Where did I say they didnít , read my response above properly , want nou is jy besig om jou naam gat te maak
Mr.Mechanic,
You assumed that the XCW is used for enduro
The XCW has not been in production for many years already  :imaposer:

The non-MX riders, use the XCF for enduro.

*Waiting to be told that GNCC is not an enduro race...
 

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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2021, 07:34:51 pm »
Where did I say they didnít , read my response above properly , want nou is jy besig om jou naam gat te maak
Mr.Mechanic,
You assumed that the XCW is used for enduro
The XCW has not been in production for many years already  :imaposer:

The non-MX riders, use the XCF for enduro.

*Waiting to be told that GNCC is not an enduro race...

The enduro models are XCFW or EXCF , depending on the country , the XCF is based on the SXF , the XCFW is not , the XCW is reserved for the 2!stroke models
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Re: KTM lofsang
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2021, 07:41:56 pm »
Where did I say they didnít , read my response above properly , want nou is jy besig om jou naam gat te maak
Mr.Mechanic,
You assumed that the XCW is used for enduro
The XCW has not been in production for many years already  :imaposer:

The non-MX riders, use the XCF for enduro.

*Waiting to be told that GNCC is not an enduro race...

The enduro models are XCFW or EXCF , depending on the country , the XCF is based on the SXF , the XCFW is not , the XCW is reserved for the 2!stroke models

Referring again to this comment you made:
WTF does it matter what it does on paper , we ride bikes not paper , the other very simple fact is that more people ride enduro type terrain and mx bikes are not the most suitable for that type of riding . Actually the last I recall was that the top selling dirt bike in the USA was the humble KLX300R .
BTW , in the world enduro championships the E1 , E2 and E3 were won by 2 Italian manufacturers for the last 3 years , namely Beta and TM

XCF's are used for GNCC E1/2/3 not the EXC-F
Getit?
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