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Offline UggieB

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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

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Re: My mission to make cross country affordable and easier to start!
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2021, 06:30:53 pm »
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Re: My mission to make cross country affordable and easier to start!
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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

"
"

Whilist working on your tower, you could possibly think about why the basic ICO's cost so much and how the price could be reduced.  Lets be honest they literally are a bicycle computer with a pick up on the wheel and a couple of buttons to adjust the distance as and when required.  You can by a cellphone with a whole lot more of technology inside for a whole lot less.  Maybe I don't understand them properly.  Good work on making Rally more affordable. :thumleft:
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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

"
"

Whilist working on your tower, you could possibly think about why the basic ICO's cost so much and how the price could be reduced.  Lets be honest they literally are a bicycle computer with a pick up on the wheel and a couple of buttons to adjust the distance as and when required.  You can by a cellphone with a whole lot more of technology inside for a whole lot less.  Maybe I don't understand them properly.  Good work on making Rally more affordable. :thumleft:

How much is that "RR" screen from KTM?
 

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Very nice start! Please keep it coming, I am following with great interest.

Youre going to have to make more pieces to bolt on things like the ERTF & sentinel if they ever get around to running these in a southern african rally.

A good comment by Saklx - The ICO is smart enough to adjust to adjustments made to it, so its more than just a revolution counter. That being said its way overpried like most htings rally unfortunately a result of the teeny tiny market.
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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

"
"

Whilist working on your tower, you could possibly think about why the basic ICO's cost so much and how the price could be reduced.  Lets be honest they literally are a bicycle computer with a pick up on the wheel and a couple of buttons to adjust the distance as and when required.  You can by a cellphone with a whole lot more of technology inside for a whole lot less.  Maybe I don't understand them properly.  Good work on making Rally more affordable. :thumleft:

The reasons those little boxes are so expensive;

Almost all ICO's now work off GPS and not the front wheel. This makes them super reliable, accurate and one less thing to break. But, for the developer of the software/hardware that has to develop and integrate all this into those little boxes costs huge time and money. I was personally involved with @Weedkiller - Adie 's development of his ICO. It took many iterations and long late nights to get his prototypes good enough to race. In the end his excellent ICO's got me 9th on a rally, but sadly, Amageza died and with it all that effort.

The total global market for ICO's per year would be less than 500 units. (I think realistically it would be less than 100, but for the sake of the exercise...) The cost to make such limited numbers is what makes them expensive.

But get hold of Ardie and who knows, it might live again. Here they are on my bike


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I wonder where that gravel road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. (Apologies to Mr Frost)

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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

"
"

Whilist working on your tower, you could possibly think about why the basic ICO's cost so much and how the price could be reduced.  Lets be honest they literally are a bicycle computer with a pick up on the wheel and a couple of buttons to adjust the distance as and when required.  You can by a cellphone with a whole lot more of technology inside for a whole lot less.  Maybe I don't understand them properly.  Good work on making Rally more affordable. :thumleft:

How much is that "RR" screen from KTM?
Hi, do you mean just the screen itself or the while Rally tower I built?

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Hi All

1.  A Rally Tripmeter Instrument are WAAYYY more complex than a Bicycle Tripmeter even if only connected to the front wheel.  This is the easy one.

2. ICO is a tradename like Hoover.  The CAP  heading indicator is a TOTALLY different animal.  It indicate lots more and NEEDs a GPS to do the CAP heading.  (I included our manual just for info The pages are sorted for printing purposes)

3. Roadbook.  Traditionally this is a paper roll but even Dakar org are looking at digital options.  There are a few digital options in the world but either moesse expensive or for propriety.

To do a 'Roadbook rally' (not GPS only)  you need all three items.
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Alexander and I developed a full electronic unit as well  that will run on any Android device. Very cost effective but must be arranged with the orga.  Here ONE unit do the function of all three above. (And yes, the purist would say 'What if it break' Bla Bla Bla......  This untit require a PDF of the roadbook and that is it, Cheap and effective.

We still have Rockfox roadbooks available (I think about 8) and can build TRIP-CAP s on request.  Our Trip Cap is unique in the sense that it the same unit can be used as Trip OR CAP - The only in the world with that feature.  In fact I just designed a new even slimmer Trip-Cap just before Alexander passed away. 

BlikSEM  Kamanja, that is stil V1, We are at V4 already.  Remember the first one did not even make it round the block here at the smallholdings.  :'(

Feel free to contact me on 079-524 3884 for any Rally related items.  I might still have mini roadbook holders etc available.

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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

"
"

Whilist working on your tower, you could possibly think about why the basic ICO's cost so much and how the price could be reduced.  Lets be honest they literally are a bicycle computer with a pick up on the wheel and a couple of buttons to adjust the distance as and when required.  You can by a cellphone with a whole lot more of technology inside for a whole lot less.  Maybe I don't understand them properly.  Good work on making Rally more affordable. :thumleft:

How much is that "RR" screen from KTM?
Hi, do you mean just the screen itself or the while Rally tower I built?

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Sorry, I meant just the screen itself.
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BlikSEM  Kamanja, that is stil V1, We are at V4 already.  Remember the first one did not even make it round the block here at the smallholdings.  :'(

@Weedkiller - Adie Nope, this was the original prototype :biggrin:



Sorry for the hijack :biggrin:
I wonder where that gravel road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. (Apologies to Mr Frost)

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Fokkit, ek wil nou sommer huil.  :-[

We came a long way since then and the product never failed'  :pot:

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I am starting with rally riding, navigation, equipment, the works. But I find it super difficult to get sensible information apart from befriending guys in the industry and feeding of them.

Now as part of my own experience, and being a typical technology disruptor, I have decided to simplify rally and its equipment. My first project is to make a navigation tower more accessible and affordable.

"
"

Whilist working on your tower, you could possibly think about why the basic ICO's cost so much and how the price could be reduced.  Lets be honest they literally are a bicycle computer with a pick up on the wheel and a couple of buttons to adjust the distance as and when required.  You can by a cellphone with a whole lot more of technology inside for a whole lot less.  Maybe I don't understand them properly.  Good work on making Rally more affordable. :thumleft:

How much is that "RR" screen from KTM?
Hi, do you mean just the screen itself or the while Rally tower I built?

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Sorry, I meant just the screen itself.
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1.  A Rally Tripmeter Instrument are WAAYYY more complex than a Bicycle Tripmeter even if only connected to the front wheel.  This is the easy one.

2. ICO is a tradename like Hoover.  The CAP  heading indicator is a TOTALLY different animal.  It indicate lots more and NEEDs a GPS to do the CAP heading.  (I included our manual just for info The pages are sorted for printing purposes)

3. Roadbook.  Traditionally this is a paper roll but even Dakar org are looking at digital options.  There are a few digital options in the world but either moesse expensive or for propriety.

To do a 'Roadbook rally' (not GPS only)  you need all three items.
.

Alexander and I developed a full electronic unit as well  that will run on any Android device. Very cost effective but must be arranged with the orga.  Here ONE unit do the function of all three above. (And yes, the purist would say 'What if it break' Bla Bla Bla......  This untit require a PDF of the roadbook and that is it, Cheap and effective.

We still have Rockfox roadbooks available (I think about 8) and can build TRIP-CAP s on request.  Our Trip Cap is unique in the sense that it the same unit can be used as Trip OR CAP - The only in the world with that feature.  In fact I just designed a new even slimmer Trip-Cap just before Alexander passed away. 

BlikSEM  Kamanja, that is stil V1, We are at V4 already.  Remember the first one did not even make it round the block here at the smallholdings.  :'(

Feel free to contact me on 079-524 3884 for any Rally related items.  I might still have mini roadbook holders etc available.

Adie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC77nA7ja6Dy3rHr-0hITziQ/videos
Enjoy this and and it makes sense to replace the  big roadbook holder with paper roll etc  with a tablet with correct program s loaded which can have multi  uses and easier control. Lots of the european rally's  you see this and a GPS on bikes
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