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Offline Neo_za

Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2021, 11:35:31 am »
I had / have Dakar, KLR, XT660R and NC 700

For tar commuting if gas milage, comfort and safety is you main concern, then i think, in order:
NC (great consumption, twin engine, frunk, but lacks a soul....utilitarian and boring)
Dakar (light, normally heated grips, ABS,  very good consumption, multi-use......but its a BMW with all that goes with that)
XT (great riding position, good consumption, solid, multi-use......cant really think of anything negative apart from no OEM centre stand)
KLR (budget everything, so-so consumption, dependable, do everything.........not very comfortable)
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2021, 12:02:59 pm »
I had / have Dakar, KLR, XT660R and NC 700

For tar commuting if gas milage, comfort and safety is you main concern, then i think, in order:
NC (great consumption, twin engine, frunk, but lacks a soul....utilitarian and boring)
Dakar (light, normally heated grips, ABS,  very good consumption, multi-use......but its a BMW with all that goes with that)
XT (great riding position, good consumption, solid, multi-use......cant really think of anything negative apart from no OEM centre stand)
KLR (budget everything, so-so consumption, dependable, do everything.........not very comfortable)

What does that entail, oh yes, the best service and backup you will get from any of the other manufactures.
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2021, 06:33:58 pm »
I must admit the NC DCT really caught my eye, but there is nothing in the budget range that I could find.

Made contact with a few KLR Sellers and hoping to get to as many as possible this weekend. Found an interesting KLR that has apparently been done to 800cc by Holesport(?) Boksburg...can it be?

Back to suspension. So with my +100 kg and then daughter with her stuff of +- 40kg (combined) - although her weight added for a very short distance - are the older stock shocks and springs ok or do I need to get them resprung or replaced or uprated? This is on both KLR and Dakar.

And to make things more complicated a colleague has said I should rather look at the F650GS standard as opposed to the Dakar version. His claim is since most km's are daily and tar the Dakar is a waste and off road the F650GS van get you to the same places just a little slower and with more cautious driving.


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2021, 06:39:06 pm »
Standard GS will be too low,you better start looking at a GS800 :imaposer:
 

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2021, 06:44:10 pm »
Standard GS will be too low,you better start looking at a GS800 :imaposer:
I concur.

800gs.

Good as a commuter and the added bonus of going off the pavement.  Its the 650gs you are looking at anyway but with better suspension.

I have a nice one in mind for you....

Jokes aside, if you are looking at the 650gs you might as well go for the 800gs. It will handle a pillion and luggage much better than the 650gs. But obviously everything is governed by the budget
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2021, 06:47:31 pm »
Grunder the 800 GS has been haunting me but I cannot find one in my budget at the moment. Covid has wiped all extra savings due to helping out extended family and I can't be an arse now and call in debt...our can I? No never mind that's just a k@k thought....


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2021, 08:17:38 pm »
Grunder the 800 GS has been haunting me but I cannot find one in my budget at the moment. Covid has wiped all extra savings due to helping out extended family and I can't be an arse now and call in debt...our can I? No never mind that's just a k@k thought....


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2021, 08:32:25 pm »
Tom in normal times sure I would remind...but now when so many have lost all income opportunity there is no way I would do that whilst what I want to do is not a necessity - just yet. One day when life has a semblance of normality I might raise it.


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2021, 08:41:47 pm »
Tom in normal times sure I would remind...but now when so many have lost all income opportunity there is no way I would do that whilst what I want to do is not a necessity - just yet. One day when life has a semblance of normality I might raise it.


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2021, 10:56:36 pm »
There's a low-mileage, nice-looking Dakar in the 'for sale' section at the moment: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=257252.0

A bit outside of your budget, but it sounds like you're considering stretching it.
 

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2021, 09:50:35 am »
There's a low-mileage, nice-looking Dakar in the 'for sale' section at the moment: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=257252.0

A bit outside of your budget, but it sounds like you're considering stretching it.

Also saw two on fb Marketplace - one near me in Port Alfred that looks very nice.
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2021, 12:58:05 pm »
I had / have Dakar, KLR, XT660R and NC 700

For tar commuting if gas milage, comfort and safety is you main concern, then i think, in order:
NC (great consumption, twin engine, frunk, but lacks a soul....utilitarian and boring)
Dakar (light, normally heated grips, ABS,  very good consumption, multi-use......but its a BMW with all that goes with that)
XT (great riding position, good consumption, solid, multi-use......cant really think of anything negative apart from no OEM centre stand)
KLR (budget everything, so-so consumption, dependable, do everything.........not very comfortable)

What does that entail, oh yes, the best service and backup you will get from any of the other manufactures.

That is true and no doubt a comfort to many riders out there OD, but only really matters to those who cannot work on their own bikes, or do not have the time or inclination to do so.
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2021, 01:04:36 pm »
I'd advise against the KLR 800, you've got no room for a future rebore, if needed.

And 50cc extra on a KLR won't do much.
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2021, 02:19:05 pm »
I'd advise against the KLR 800, you've got no room for a future rebore, if needed.

And 50cc extra on a KLR won't do much.

I agree, theres not much more meat on those bones, and I personally think that motor would not last long, something would have to give.

with such a massive difference in displacement I would doubt the valves could keep up with airflow requirements you would probably battle to get the mixure right.
 

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2021, 04:54:51 pm »
I'd advise against the KLR 800, you've got no room for a future rebore, if needed.

And 50cc extra on a KLR won't do much.

I agree, theres not much more meat on those bones, and I personally think that motor would not last long, something would have to give.

with such a massive difference in displacement I would doubt the valves could keep up with airflow requirements you would probably battle to get the mixure right.

The KLR radiator is also marginal at best. I run a 685 with oversize valves and regulafly hit the fan switch - on point when idling at a robot in summer.
 

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Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2021, 05:15:25 pm »
Ah great... so just when I decide on the KLR now radiators and and and ... this is starting to become like those jols where you go in with the right intentions and and up leaving/settling with the wrong


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2021, 07:15:34 pm »
Ah great... so just when I decide on the KLR now radiators and and and ... this is starting to become like those jols where you go in with the right intentions and and up leaving/settling with the wrong


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2021, 07:49:21 pm »
Ah that gives a little more comfort.

To help me understand - if I increased the budget - which means using the bank's plastic - then why / how is it that an earlier 2005-8 1200 can sell at the same price as a 2007-9 800? Mileage in all cases are high >90k but apart from the size just why?

I have found a few Dakar or later F650GS around the +R50k mark but then I keep asking myself why not the comfort / size of a 1200? Yes they can't do the same single track as the first choice 650's but... aplenty.
 

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2021, 07:53:00 pm »
I'd advise against the KLR 800, you've got no room for a future rebore, if needed.

And 50cc extra on a KLR won't do much.

150cc  :o.  - and maths was never my forté
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2021, 09:15:27 pm »
Ah that gives a little more comfort.

To help me understand - if I increased the budget - which means using the bank's plastic - then why / how is it that an earlier 2005-8 1200 can sell at the same price as a 2007-9 800? Mileage in all cases are high >90k but apart from the size just why?

I have found a few Dakar or later F650GS around the +R50k mark but then I keep asking myself why not the comfort / size of a 1200? Yes they can't do the same single track as the first choice 650's but... aplenty.

If that is how you are now thinking, save yourself the time and expense of the 650 - 800 - 1200 route, and go straight for the 1200  ;D But, take note, the 1200 will have fairly high running costs, compared to 650's
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