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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2021, 09:52:39 pm »
Ah that gives a little more comfort.

To help me understand - if I increased the budget - which means using the bank's plastic - then why / how is it that an earlier 2005-8 1200 can sell at the same price as a 2007-9 800? Mileage in all cases are high >90k but apart from the size just why?

I have found a few Dakar or later F650GS around the +R50k mark but then I keep asking myself why not the comfort / size of a 1200? Yes they can't do the same single track as the first choice 650's but... aplenty.

If that is how you are now thinking, save yourself the time and expense of the 650 - 800 - 1200 route, and go straight for the 1200  ;D But, take note, the 1200 will have fairly high running costs, compared to 650's
So the 800 is the golden highway then
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2021, 10:53:44 am »
Ah that gives a little more comfort.

To help me understand - if I increased the budget - which means using the bank's plastic - then why / how is it that an earlier 2005-8 1200 can sell at the same price as a 2007-9 800? Mileage in all cases are high >90k but apart from the size just why?

I have found a few Dakar or later F650GS around the +R50k mark but then I keep asking myself why not the comfort / size of a 1200? Yes they can't do the same single track as the first choice 650's but... aplenty.

I would say then look for a nice R1150GS - best bang for your buck boxer. Pretty bulletproof and easy and fun to service yourself.

If that is how you are now thinking, save yourself the time and expense of the 650 - 800 - 1200 route, and go straight for the 1200  ;D But, take note, the 1200 will have fairly high running costs, compared to 650's
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2021, 01:41:53 pm »
I dunno if I agree about going with more power.

I had my KLR and loved it, it was stolen and I bought a V-Strom which had power aplenty but had no soul so never did anything except commute with it

Bought a KLE and love it, its slow, its noisy as hell, cheap to run, not so light on fuel. but FUN FUN FUN, so Size doesnt always count

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2021, 01:52:59 pm »
The OP is talking about pillion plus kit .... thats a lot of shit for a KLR.
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2021, 03:23:04 pm »
Thanks Dom the weight is a consideration yes for daily and getting out,

Daily me + crap = 120kg
Daily me + little one with her crap = 160kg (but this is short distance <5km PD)
Weekend if SWAMBO wants a spin then we're close touching 200kg.

So reading what everyone is saying there a lot of things to consider:
Safety, Reliability, Cost of Ownership, Practicality

All these are making me doubt the 650 class and considering the 800 BUT like I said I really don't want to use bank money for the difference.

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2021, 05:51:18 pm »
I'd advise against the KLR 800, you've got no room for a future rebore, if needed.

And 50cc extra on a KLR won't do much.

150cc  :o.  - and maths was never my forté

Hmmm ...................... and maths IS supposed to be mine......  :peepwall:

Ok, maybe 150cc will give you a boost on a KLR. In fact, it better give you a boost. Anyway, I'd still steer clear of a 800 KLR, though.
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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2021, 08:47:25 pm »
Ok so it looks like this is getting to a head...

09 KLR 40k lots of extras @ R35k
14 NC750X DCT 58k no extras @ R40k
13 G650GS 78k no extras @ R45k

BMW comes direct from BMW just serviced and 6-month warranty but means R10k on the plastic from the bank.

The Honda has an awesome sounding Tornado pipe and is the best sounding of all the NC’s I’ve seen. Sold by dealer on behalf of owner and apparently will negotiate lower due to intermittent box issue (R9k for a complete new box from Honda)

KLR is well used but at the right price point.

From what I understand the G650GS is a single whereas the F650GS was a twin. Most the rest sounds like just cosmetic changes.

Crossing fingers for a sign this weekend so I can make a decision....


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2021, 09:02:47 pm »
Ok so it looks like this is getting to a head...

09 KLR 40k lots of extras @ R35k
14 NC750X DCT 58k no extras @ R40k
13 G650GS 78k no extras @ R45k

BMW comes direct from BMW just serviced and 6-month warranty but means R10k on the plastic from the bank.

The Honda has an awesome sounding Tornado pipe and is the best sounding of all the NC’s I’ve seen. Sold by dealer on behalf of owner and apparently will negotiate lower due to intermittent box issue (R9k for a complete new box from Honda)

KLR is well used but at the right price point.

From what I understand the G650GS is a single whereas the F650GS was a twin. Most the rest sounds like just cosmetic changes.

Crossing fingers for a sign this weekend so I can make a decision....


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Or the 2012 klr I showed you

Low kilos, full of extas... same price range...

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2021, 09:07:01 pm »
Exactly

Would love to take a drive to Bloem but this weekend every Nando’s peace meal customer is on the side of the road... and I just know that bleddie V8 has some “outstandings”


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2021, 09:12:58 pm »
Exactly

Would love to take a drive to Bloem but this weekend every Nando’s peace meal customer is on the side of the road... and I just know that bleddie V8 has some “outstandings”


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2021, 09:14:15 pm »
Exactly

Would love to take a drive to Bloem but this weekend every Nando’s peace meal customer is on the side of the road... and I just know that bleddie V8 has some “outstandings”


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2021, 04:35:35 am »
If you have lifted your budget to the R45k mark, then considering your stated intended use, the F650GS Twin would be a very good option - happy on highway, smooth, ABS, heated grips, good fuel economy, easy two-up and capable on dirt road.
 

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2021, 03:41:34 pm »
Ok I think the KLR is going to win this

Who in Pretoria can I take it to for a few things to get sorted before I bring it home?

It needs
1. Front brakes and disk
2. Chain
3. Rear sprocket

Might as well do service and once over.

Started first time from cold, no smoke, no engine noise.

Here’s hoping this is the right choice.


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2021, 03:45:25 pm »
Ok so it looks like this is getting to a head...

09 KLR 40k lots of extras @ R35k
14 NC750X DCT 58k no extras @ R40k
13 G650GS 78k no extras @ R45k

BMW comes direct from BMW just serviced and 6-month warranty but means R10k on the plastic from the bank.

The Honda has an awesome sounding Tornado pipe and is the best sounding of all the NC’s I’ve seen. Sold by dealer on behalf of owner and apparently will negotiate lower due to intermittent box issue (R9k for a complete new box from Honda)

KLR is well used but at the right price point.

From what I understand the G650GS is a single whereas the F650GS was a twin. Most the rest sounds like just cosmetic changes.

Crossing fingers for a sign this weekend so I can make a decision....


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The F650gs was a single until they stopped production around 2007/2008 then when the F800 was launched they changed up the F650(the twin) to a detuned 800cc with smaller cast wheels and not the 21" spoked of the 800.

Then they reintroduced the single and called it the G650gs with a few cosmetic upgrades but with the motor manufacted in China and not by Rotax in Austria.


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #75 on: April 02, 2021, 04:31:28 pm »
Who in Pretoria can I take it to for a few things to get sorted before I bring it home?

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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2021, 10:33:16 am »
Thanks - I think they might be closed today since phone just rings, so have sent an email.

For those that have replaced front rotor and pads, chain and sprocket and service, what sort of price can be expected?


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #77 on: April 03, 2021, 02:39:49 pm »
Thanks - I think they might be closed today since phone just rings, so have sent an email.

For those that have replaced front rotor and pads, chain and sprocket and service, what sort of price can be expected?


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2021, 09:03:32 am »
Soooo... I’ve done the “sensible” thing and taken everyone’s advice and got to test a few KLR’s and a few F650GS’

So the heart says KLR but the head (and feet) and the missus said GS

Hoping to collect the G650GS this pm.


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Re: Wanted: KLR or Dakar - which would you choose?
« Reply #79 on: April 09, 2021, 04:29:53 pm »
Kid in a candy store!

Thanks for everyone's input and advise.

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