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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2021, 02:52:25 pm »
Damn, that's nice! Makes me miss my XR a lot.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2021, 03:49:07 pm »
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Husqvarna 350 FI. Its on the road. Light to handle. The FI is brilliant. Change the sprockets. Its 110kg. Bigger bikes creep to 150ich. Kees did Amageza on 1. Reliability on the FI bikes are great. Yes I know it needs more servicing. But I will easy do 2000km in Nam between services.
I have done Moz on Honda 650 aircooled. It have a tendancy to stick in its head in sand. Have heard that they tend to use oil.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2021, 04:31:23 pm »
Spanner in the worx.
Husqvarna 350 FI. Its on the road. Light to handle. The FI is brilliant. Change the sprockets. Its 110kg. Bigger bikes creep to 150ich. Kees did Amageza on 1. Reliability on the FI bikes are great. Yes I know it needs more servicing. But I will easy do 2000km in Nam between services.
I have done Moz on Honda 650 aircooled. It have a tendancy to stick in its head in sand. Have heard that they tend to use oil.
Do not know the DR.  I am learning my matric son on a Husqy 701. But he has some enduro back ground.

Your 350 is around 150k new BV.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2021, 05:03:40 pm »
The one thing this thread clearly illustrate, is the huge gap left by the departure of the xr650 and DR650 from ZA.
Funny enough, the T7 was labelled as a easy to use and very economical grasp back to the basics of motorcycling in other parts of the world, and then they slapped a 200k price tag on it over here.... :patch:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2021, 05:24:37 pm »
Thanks Altie - Very true.

With this thread I would like newcomers to get a very good idea of what they are in for financially, and what they can expect for that money in return.
a Friend that I have come to know really well over the last two and a half years suffered some financial set backs. He really did not have a lot of cash to throw around. He did however manage to find himself a Yamaha TTR 250 for around 20k. He told me that he expects to pay around three grand to get the bike to a good enough standard for his type of riding.

Not everyone can buy a 150k bike and some here don't / won't want to burden themselves with financing.
The idea is to create a thread where previous / current owners of "low budget" dual sport bikes can give their feedback - (pro's and con's) with regards to that specific bike. As mentioned before, it would be good to have these owners also give guidance on who to contact for advice/spares/service on these bikes.
I bought a 525 from Len van Rooyen and I would recommend the guy to anyone. I would like prospective 525 owners to know this.
Len could easily have charged more for the bike he sold me, but he wanted it to be a good buy for me too. I wanted extra work done on the bike to improve the reliability, and he did it within the time and cost agreed upon.

If I was in the market for a 525, I would like to know about the Len van Rooyen's out there :thumleft:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2021, 05:39:10 pm »
Spanner in the worx.
Husqvarna 350 FI. Its on the road. Light to handle. The FI is brilliant. Change the sprockets. Its 110kg. Bigger bikes creep to 150ich. Kees did Amageza on 1. Reliability on the FI bikes are great. Yes I know it needs more servicing. But I will easy do 2000km in Nam between services.
I have done Moz on Honda 650 aircooled. It have a tendancy to stick in its head in sand. Have heard that they tend to use oil.
Do not know the DR.  I am learning my matric son on a Husqy 701. But he has some enduro back ground.

Your 350 is around 150k new BV.
Was thinking second hand. Sorry. Seen a few for around R45 to R50k.
 

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2021, 05:43:25 pm »
Spanner in the worx.
Husqvarna 350 FI. Its on the road. Light to handle. The FI is brilliant. Change the sprockets. Its 110kg. Bigger bikes creep to 150ich. Kees did Amageza on 1. Reliability on the FI bikes are great. Yes I know it needs more servicing. But I will easy do 2000km in Nam between services.
I have done Moz on Honda 650 aircooled. It have a tendancy to stick in its head in sand. Have heard that they tend to use oil.
Do not know the DR.  I am learning my matric son on a Husqy 701. But he has some enduro back ground.

Your 350 is around 150k new BV.
Was thinking second hand. Sorry. Seen a few for around R45 to R50k.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2021, 05:51:16 pm »
Spanner in the worx.
Husqvarna 350 FI. Its on the road. Light to handle. The FI is brilliant. Change the sprockets. Its 110kg. Bigger bikes creep to 150ich. Kees did Amageza on 1. Reliability on the FI bikes are great. Yes I know it needs more servicing. But I will easy do 2000km in Nam between services.
I have done Moz on Honda 650 aircooled. It have a tendancy to stick in its head in sand. Have heard that they tend to use oil.
Do not know the DR.  I am learning my matric son on a Husqy 701. But he has some enduro back ground.

Your 350 is around 150k new BV.
Was thinking second hand. Sorry. Seen a few for around R45 to R50k.

No need to say sorry - I perhaps were not clear on the criteria.  :thumleft:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2021, 08:57:32 pm »
HardiMan, After riding my AT XRV, and trying to keep up with the mad/young crowd (Sorry Keith aka Ultra Flight) :peepwall:, I realized a lighter bike will be so much more rewarding.

Especial if it falls on your leg/foot. (Note to Doc, my toes are working again)  :deal:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2021, 06:03:27 am »
The 5 bikes I chose were the following:

- Honda XR650L (Pricing between 45 and 55K) Parts freely available
- Suzuki DR650 (Pricing between 45 and 55K) Parts freely available
- Honda XR250 Tornado (Pricing between 25 and 35K) Parts freely available
- Suzuki DRZ400E (Pricing between 20 and 40K) Parts freely available
- Suzuki DR200 (Pricing between 20 and 35K) Parts freely available

If I had ten votes I would have added:

- Honda CRF250L (Pricing between 35 and 45K) Parts freely available
- Yamaha TW200 (Pricing between 20 and 30K) Parts freely available
- Kawazaki KLR650 (Pricing between 30 and 45K) Unlike Honda and Suziki, Kawazaki had 2 facelifts since 2000. Parts freely available
- KTM 525 (Pricing between 35 and 45K) New and untested by me, but so far so good. Parts not so freely available
- Yamaha XT660 Z. If I am going to buy a 660, it will be the Tenere. I just like it a lot more than the R. Pricing is borderline out of the set budget though. Parts freely available

I have not picked any bike that does not have an electric starter. To me the happy button is important. Getting stuck on Heartbreak Hill in the Kaokoland where you are standing on loose rocks at a 30% gradient becomes a problem on a hot XR650R that feels the need to test your patience.
No denying it though - The XR400, XR600 and XR650R are all fantastic bikes.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2021, 08:47:01 am »
Only 1 mention of BMW XC - I'm on my second one. Light, reliable, cheap and easy to ride.
Yes, they're becoming scarce and parts might be an issue in future (as will parts for XR DR KLR)

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2021, 08:54:54 am »
As mense geweet het watse lekker bikes die X Challenge gaan/kan wees sou daar containers vol meer verkoop het. Net soos die X Country almal soek nou een noudat hulle nie meer beskikbaar is nie. :thumleft:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2021, 09:03:50 am »
Only 1 mention of BMW XC - I'm on my second one. Light, reliable, cheap and easy to ride.
Yes, they're becoming scarce and parts might be an issue in future (as will parts for XR DR KLR)

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2021, 09:15:24 am »
Agreed, but coming to end of production for a variety of reasons. The XC shares many parts with other BM 650s. I don't foresee real issues for a number of years.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2021, 09:18:44 am »
Agreed, but coming to end of production for a variety of reasons. The XC shares many parts with other BM 650s. I don't foresee real issues for a number of years.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2021, 09:33:20 am »
I think it strange that a (second hand) KTM500 is hardly mentioned here?
This is a highly underrated bike: a mere ~106 kg's, fast in open stuff and a donkey in technical terrain - and is on the road, hooter and all!
Yeah, not really for slabbing but it can do it, at a decent clip even.
Superb suspension, adjustable without tools at the front even, it's got little competition here!
It will carry a GL-type bag all day, larger tanks are available, reliability's good I think, and spares are normally available.
Airfilter easily swappable/cleanable, and with a good oil it'll do a Koakoland trip.
Happy button also, plus a kicker even.... what's NOT to like?

At the pricey end of R60K probably yeah, probably because these bikes are popular hence sought after.
But quite frankly the light weight combined with both its gazelle&goat-like capabilities puts this bike in a completely different class than a heavy&bulky DR/XR/why in comparison, for it won't tire the rider as much - important for longer rides!
Oh, not for those who load bikes to the hilt, kitchen sink & Ouma etc, and forget hard panniers.... then a DR650 is your bike.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2021, 10:07:14 am »
I have both a DR 650 and a KLR , and I got both for less than 35k ( in the last 5 years).

The KLR is a generation 1 and is much lighter than the later iterations, and in the 650 class would be 3rd lightest after the XR and the DR.

I ride continuously, rotating each bike per trip. Notwithstanding each bike’s limitations, I love them both... and when I ride with mates on their far-more-expensive KTM’s and Husky’s they are always amazed at the narrow gap in the respective bike’s abilities compared to the massive discrepancies between their purchase prices...
 

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2021, 10:12:46 am »
Agree. Decided to sell my Husky 701 and keep X Challenge - no way Husky was 70k beter than the BM.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2021, 10:14:33 am »
I am all for old school basic bikes but on our trip with you Hardy, the DR I rode (albeit not pristine or standard) used double the amount of fuel compared to the 501. The G450X needed 4L for every 3L on the 501.

Sure fuel consumption is not why we buy bikes but when doing long distance remote travel, how far you can go on say 20L of fuel carried should be an important consideration.

And I am biased too but I sold my 690 just over the upper end of the budget mentioned and I would've trusted that bike to take me to Cairo and back.

Other than that, I would also go BMX
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2021, 10:19:44 am »
I classify myself as a relative newbie as far as Adventure riding in the "new" sense of is concerned.
Although I have been riding bike on and off from the early 80's, I had a farm bikes when still farming and then started working towards Adventure riding when my kids were nearly all out of school. Those who know me will remember that I had a TW200 and my son a clapped out DT175 at our first WD bash. I see this thread as taking somebody 'like me' to enjoyable adventure riding by giving that person the information to help him choose the right bike for him or her! I have proven that you can have a great time and lots of nice adventures on a low budget bike.
My choices:
1) Bmw Dakar/ gs 650 single, For anything from R20k you can get a reliable bike that is not even halfway through it's economical life. Mine is comfortable, carries me and the wife around with all our luggage and is economic to run.
Parts are available. I rate it as the right bike if you are planning on doing longer stretches of tar or relatively good gravel. One up you can do bad tracks etc. but although I have done them, I would not recomend it as the bike is heavy and not suited to it.
2) XR650L: I have not owned one, but have been on trips with guys on them. I find it high and a bit "loose" but then I have only ridden them when set for guys much heavier and taller than me. Bullet proof and very capable but not recommended for long tar and good gravel trips.
3 +4) Dr650 and Klr650: I group them together as they are very close to each other in my opinion. Both are very capable off doing long trips and will take you there and back! Klr is easier to find a better example than the Dr650. In my opinion the Dr is the nicer one, but many members here have done great trips on their Klr's, myself being one of them.
As to the rest of the list, I have done many km's on TW200's but I will not recommend it as an adventure bike if you are planning on any distances! A blast on Sani etc. though!
The Ttr250 etc fall into the same catagory as the comfort and speed does not make for comfortable adventure trips.
Kdx200 and similar is no good for adventure riding due to fuel usage,comfort and not being able to carry luggage effectively.
I hope this helps some newby to make the right choice in bike.
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