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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2021, 10:42:16 am »
I am all for old school basic bikes but on our trip with you Hardy, the DR I rode (albeit not pristine or standard) used double the amount of fuel compared to the 501. The G450X needed 4L for every 3L on the 501.

Sure fuel consumption is not why we buy bikes but when doing long distance remote travel, how far you can go on say 20L of fuel carried should be an important consideration.

And I am biased too but I sold my 690 just over the upper end of the budget mentioned and I would've trusted that bike to take me to Cairo and back.

Other than that, I would also go BMX

Dwerg - I would beat you with a fuel consumption test between a 690 or 500 vs DR any day of the week.
You fail to mention that Riís bike was not well
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2021, 10:49:28 am »
I am all for old school basic bikes but on our trip with you Hardy, the DR I rode (albeit not pristine or standard) used double the amount of fuel compared to the 501. The G450X needed 4L for every 3L on the 501.

Sure fuel consumption is not why we buy bikes but when doing long distance remote travel, how far you can go on say 20L of fuel carried should be an important consideration.

And I am biased too but I sold my 690 just over the upper end of the budget mentioned and I would've trusted that bike to take me to Cairo and back.

Other than that, I would also go BMX

Dwerg - I would beat you with a fuel consumption test between a 690 or 500 vs DR any day of the week.
You fail to mention that Riís bike was not well

Not if we rode the same speed..... I've gotten as much as 30km/l on my 690. But also 13km/l if I spank it :ricky:

I did mention that the DR was not pristine or standard.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2021, 10:52:28 am »
I am a fairly new rider at the tender age of 30.( didn't grow up riding 2 wheels - although rode bicycles) 

My first bike being a SR500 that needed alot of love, I learnt some basic mechanics as one does when breaking down often...My dad had some space at home with basic tools and the hobby quickly developed into a passion. After seeing Michnus & Elsebie's trip up Africa I decided I too wanted to explore the lesser travelled places... new to me arrived an XT500 ( again needing alot of love). At this time they were still fairly cheap and parts abundant. This bike taught me a bunch of lessons ( carb cleaning, fork rebuilding, servicing etc). With its low center of gravity and bottom end torque I found it super easy to ride. It lacked in suspension and brakes and fuel consumption and on and on but it was mine and it took me places.

I then decided I was going to upgrade, with a limited budget after selling my SR I found what looked to be a good bike, drove 10 hours into Nelspruit, upon viewing it knew it needed some love ( decomp issues on the top end) but brought it home anyway. I was able to pick it up fairly cheap R26k but that changed when I rebuilt the motor ( +R25k). It was an expensive and frustrating lesson but I now sit with a bike that is mechanically sound and good to go. I have loved every minute of this bike and hit the dirt roads at any chance possible.

I have gradually made the jump to enduro/weekend warrior bush riding where I have bought a CRF230 to hone in on my riding skills. I would suggest this to anyone as it improves your riding fitness, balance skills and is just a laugh a minute.

Would I have gone out if funds were available and bought a new big bike with all the thrills...very possible but I would have missed out on so many learning opportunities. These lower budget bikes if running well allow you to really enjoy the trip on focus less on your bike( dropping it, riding modes etc etc).

I do realise that having some mechanical knowhow in the family has helped, having space and some basic tools are a necessity but feel my journey with bikes has been built up ( old to newer although my xr is still more than 20 years old) and has provided me so much joy.

An important thing to note is your riding buddies...I often get intimidated to ride with a bunch of guys on bigger bikes as blasting it on the slab to get to the dirt seems to be the main aim and then its not so comfortable. They wait for you to get to the dirt and then you wait for them to catch up once in the dirt.

Thumpers are great first bikes, I am even considering getting a 250 Tornado or 250L with newer tech to add to the stable.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2021, 10:54:44 am »
I think it strange that a (second hand) KTM500 is hardly mentioned here?
This is a highly underrated bike: a mere ~106 kg's, fast in open stuff and a donkey in technical terrain - and is on the road, hooter and all!
Yeah, not really for slabbing but it can do it, at a decent clip even.
Superb suspension, adjustable without tools at the front even, it's got little competition here!
It will carry a GL-type bag all day, larger tanks are available, reliability's good I think, and spares are normally available.
Airfilter easily swappable/cleanable, and with a good oil it'll do a Koakoland trip.
Happy button also, plus a kicker even.... what's NOT to like?

At the pricey end of R60K probably yeah, probably because these bikes are popular hence sought after.
But quite frankly the light weight combined with both its gazelle&goat-like capabilities puts this bike in a completely different class than a heavy&bulky DR/XR/why in comparison, for it won't tire the rider as much - important for longer rides!
Oh, not for those who load bikes to the hilt, kitchen sink & Ouma etc, and forget hard panniers.... then a DR650 is your bike.

I believe hi stressed or performance bikes does put secondhand buyers off Bart.
Especially when these bikes are getting a bit older.
Not too many 690ís or 500ís in the 60k budget .
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2021, 10:58:36 am »
I would pick a 250 Tornado or Suzuki 250 Djebel or WR250R
I would also love to own a WR250R but they were never sold in SA as far as I know
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2021, 11:06:33 am »
Any reason the Honda CRF230F is not included here ?

It was used very effectively on one of Hardy's trips by @Zanie here in April 2019  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=236737.0
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 11:10:02 am by M3X3Z3 »
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2021, 11:12:28 am »
Any reason the Honda CRF230F is not included here ?

It was used very effectively on one of Hardy's trips by @Zanie here in April 2019  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=236737.0

No reason other than forgetting about it - Sorry, it should have been on the list
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2021, 11:53:01 am »
I believe hi stressed or performance bikes does put secondhand buyers off Bart.

Oh, I agree fully, I'm the same - but the KTM 450 is on the list, if anything the highest-stressed bike of the lot!
Funny thing is, the 500 isn't stressed too hard, but I'll admit first that running it often hard/fast for long (say a topspeed run) isn't a good idea  :P
Your set budget though is not too fitting...  ;)
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2021, 12:29:46 pm »
I believe hi stressed or performance bikes does put secondhand buyers off Bart.

Oh, I agree fully, I'm the same - but the KTM 450 is on the list, if anything the highest-stressed bike of the lot!
Funny thing is, the 500 isn't stressed too hard, but I'll admit first that running it often hard/fast for long (say a topspeed run) isn't a good idea  :P
Your set budget though is not too fitting...  ;)

The 450 has been available for a while and it seems as if there are many available in that budget.
The 500 is an amazing bike - not for the beginner though.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2021, 12:32:06 pm »
I am all for old school basic bikes but on our trip with you Hardy, the DR I rode (albeit not pristine or standard) used double the amount of fuel compared to the 501. The G450X needed 4L for every 3L on the 501.

Sure fuel consumption is not why we buy bikes but when doing long distance remote travel, how far you can go on say 20L of fuel carried should be an important consideration.

And I am biased too but I sold my 690 just over the upper end of the budget mentioned and I would've trusted that bike to take me to Cairo and back.

Other than that, I would also go BMX

Dwerg - I would beat you with a fuel consumption test between a 690 or 500 vs DR any day of the week.
You fail to mention that Riís bike was not well

Not if we rode the same speed..... I've gotten as much as 30km/l on my 690. But also 13km/l if I spank it :ricky:

I did mention that the DR was not pristine or standard.

Yes you did.
30km per liter? Now that is impressive.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2021, 02:28:37 pm »
I don't get the bike selection. If the trails are technical then a small dirt bike with number plates would be the best choice. If the rider can take your average 650 into a trail then it was not technical to begin with. Keep the AT and just wing it.
 

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2021, 02:55:28 pm »
I don't get the bike selection. If the trails are technical then a small dirt bike with number plates would be the best choice. If the rider can take your average 650 into a trail then it was not technical to begin with. Keep the AT and just wing it.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2021, 03:14:06 pm »
Interesting read.  I had a KLR650 which still had the speedometer in miles.  That bike gave me a lot of kak, yet i loved Jane so much.

I actually think of getting something similar again, but to be honest, can't afford the breakage and oil usage anymore  :pot: :imaposer:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2021, 03:30:10 pm »
I don't get the bike selection. If the trails are technical then a small dirt bike with number plates would be the best choice. If the rider can take your average 650 into a trail then it was not technical to begin with. Keep the AT and just wing it.
Haven't seen something this poorly thought out in ages.
My DR650 weighing @ 165kg's (Weighed myself)
My friends KTM 1090 @ 254kg's (Weighed myself)

Went through some rivers and often watched the KTM get stuck solely on account of it's weight. This coming from me, a new rider with 3 month's experience at the time where I could literally let the bike make up for my lack of talent.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2021, 04:29:46 pm »
@Hardy de Kock  ek sou reken jy moet in die poll onderskei tussen 'n KLR650 Fugly en Gen 2. Dit is verskillende bikes.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2021, 06:20:29 pm »
@Hardy de Kock  ek sou reken jy moet in die poll onderskei tussen 'n KLR650 Fugly en Gen 2. Dit is verskillende bikes.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2021, 06:36:23 pm »
Die 230 was n interessante opinie - was hy oraait op die trip of is die 650 beter keuse?
 

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2021, 07:10:34 pm »
@Hardy de Kock  ek sou reken jy moet in die poll onderskei tussen 'n KLR650 Fugly en Gen 2. Dit is verskillende bikes.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2021, 07:20:06 pm »
Die 230 was n interessante opinie - was hy oraait op die trip of is die 650 beter keuse?

Vir jou verseker die 650.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2021, 07:20:30 pm »
@Hardy de Kock  ek sou reken jy moet in die poll onderskei tussen 'n KLR650 Fugly en Gen 2. Dit is verskillende bikes.

Kan jy help hiermee?

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