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BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« on: July 19, 2021, 06:10:19 pm »
Hi Guys

Looking to get a GS but I am stuck between a rock and a hard place....

Could I ask for some advice in temrs of two choices I am currenty looking at. Both bikes in imaculate condition:

 

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2021, 06:18:37 pm »
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Oops just looked again, no I would not go with the mag rims.
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2021, 06:21:43 pm »
if you ride a lot of gravel or plan to do any off-road riding, the mag wheels on the 1250 could be problematic vs spoked wheels on the 1200.
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2021, 06:21:51 pm »
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\
 

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2021, 06:53:24 pm »
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\

I'd go with the 1250 as well.  Mags won't bother me as I do not do serious off roading.

Are you sure there is no ESA on the 1250?  That would be very strange as it does have the riding modes.
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2021, 07:12:56 pm »
1250 because of the warranty  :thumleft:
 
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2021, 07:15:41 pm »
What are you going to use the bike for?
ADV are maybe more suited for off roading?
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2021, 07:53:05 pm »
I would go with the 1250, it also has a warranty which to me is a big plus as well as a pannier set.

Lack of ESA and the fact that it has mag rims considered?

I get so much mixed reviews on the importance of ESA.

If I damage a rim, insurance need to sort out. Just need to get used to the look of it.  :-\

I'd go with the 1250 as well.  Mags won't bother me as I do not do serious off roading.

Are you sure there is no ESA on the 1250?  That would be very strange as it does have the riding modes.
Definitely no ESA with riding modes. When I phoned the dealer to check the history he knew exactly how these came in from BMW. He knew it was the model with TFT but not Keyless without ESA.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2021, 07:59:04 pm »
What are you going to use the bike for?
ADV are maybe more suited for off roading?
I am brand new to this so will not try anything advanced or brave for the first few thousand km's. Mainly interested in longer multi-day rides and camping at my stops. But if I do come to gravel roads I certainly do not want to have to turn around and seek better/tarred roads. Not planning to use it as a motocross bike for this money.

Hope it makes sense?

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2021, 09:43:36 pm »
What are you going to use the bike for?
ADV are maybe more suited for off roading?
I am brand new to this so will not try anything advanced or brave for the first few thousand km's. Mainly interested in longer multi-day rides and camping at my stops. But if I do come to gravel roads I certainly do not want to have to turn around and seek better/tarred roads. Not planning to use it as a motocross bike for this money.

Hope it makes sense?

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That money puts you slap-bang in brand-new Yamaha T7 territory.

Why are you even looking at these overweight machines?

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2021, 10:13:39 pm »
Depends on what you'd like to do but from what I read between the lines you'll end up getting hooked on off road riding and for that the Adventure with the spoked wheels is the way to go IMHO.  Yes the insurance can sort out a damaged rim but that's not going to happen right there next to the road where you're stranded with your flat front wheel because the tubeless tyre doesn't want to seat on the dented mag. Worst case I know, just saying. :thumleft:

W.r.t. ESA: I had it on my 2012 GSA and just left it in the off road setting.  It's nice to have and its biggest advantage is when you regularly change between solo rider and pillion with luggage since you'll need more or less preload (read: flat footed vs tip toeing) and now you can push a button vs turn a knob.  I also tried various settings on the damping & rebound over time but couldn't detect a hell of a difference. :deal:
 

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2021, 10:19:33 pm »
Panniers are a big plus, but again for the cheaper Adventure you can buy the luggage setup of your choice. KM between 6,000 vs 20,000km you can ignore. On BMW's you only get low km's (under 100,000km) and higher km's (above 100,000km). :biggrin:
 

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2021, 10:25:29 pm »
Thanks @Karoo Rider

It really seems that the wheels are the biggest issue here.

Let's change things a bit:

What if the seller sell me a set of spoke rims for R20k. 1250 then being R235,500 leaving me with the (very slim chance) option of selling the mag rims?

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2021, 10:26:29 pm »
I really appreciate the advice and participation with this guys.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2021, 10:30:30 pm »
That money puts you slap-bang in brand-new Yamaha T7 territory.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2021, 10:40:19 pm »
That money puts you slap-bang in brand-new Yamaha T7 territory.

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I just thought that I'd point out that for the money of a 2nd hand very large bike, the OP can get a brand-new and lithe proper adventure bike.
 
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 10:42:01 pm »
Thanks @Karoo Rider

It really seems that the wheels are the biggest issue here.

Let's change things a bit:

What if the seller sell me a set of spoke rims for R20k. 1250 then being R235,500 leaving me with the (very slim chance) option of selling the mag rims?

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Good question, but personally I would be hesitant to pay R20k more while for R24k less I can get a bike with spoke wheels standard. Down the line you'll probably never recover this in terms of the bike's value when selling again. But I understand the logical tendency to go for the newer bike so this whole thing is much more than the type of wheels. Hope you come to a conclusion that works for you.
 
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 10:47:29 pm »
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2021, 06:28:16 am »
You should also research the other changes between ADV and non ADV BMWs..
Tank size.
Suspension.
Gear ratios.
Footpegs.
Seats.
The electronics I dont understand all the acronyms but look at that too.
There must be other differences.

Lastly listen to what 2SD is saying.
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2021, 06:54:31 am »
Years ago when I started looking for a DUal Purpose bike, Yamaha was one of my options, I didnt want to be a sheep and just go straight for BMW, I looked at other brands but didnt like their offerings.

What made my decision in the end?
SERVICE, specifically dealer service, Yamaha were absolutely atrocious , I was doing them a favour by buying parts from them, paying up front then waiting weeks before I got them
New parts availability was also scarce.
KTM was also on the list, same issue.

IN the end, the exceptional BMW service and parts availability did it for me. They are also fantastic bikes. Since then, I have done close on 100 000km on my GS.
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