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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2021, 07:19:59 pm »
Depends on what you'd like to do but from what I read between the lines you'll end up getting hooked on off road riding and for that the Adventure with the spoked wheels is the way to go IMHO.  Yes the insurance can sort out a damaged rim but that's not going to happen right there next to the road where you're stranded with your flat front wheel because the tubeless tyre doesn't want to seat on the dented mag. Worst case I know, just saying. :thumleft:

W.r.t. ESA: I had it on my 2012 GSA and just left it in the off road setting.  It's nice to have and its biggest advantage is when you regularly change between solo rider and pillion with luggage since you'll need more or less preload (read: flat footed vs tip toeing) and now you can push a button vs turn a knob.  I also tried various settings on the damping & rebound over time but couldn't detect a hell of a difference. :deal:

Fullyt agree here!

The chances of needing the warranty on a well maintained 2016 is negligible anyway.  Get the better suspension, rims and you're set for long long time.
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2021, 08:06:06 pm »
I have had an older aircooled gsa for almost 5 years.. nice bike and it can go anywhere if you want,road,mud,sand,rocks,single track tweespoor.  Recently got a ktm990s.. suspension is hard as a rock compared to my gsa. Hard to believe you buy a ready to race bike.. have to stip the shocks out to be send of to a specialist to revalve and respring ect to get a better ride.. in that aspect the gsa is a much nicer ride.. one/two buttons suspension is set and off you go... just my 2cents of not much else to offer.
Fyi both on WP suspension..

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2021, 08:15:21 pm »
Does the bike with the extra set of wheels have brake disks fitted as well as other brake pads for the second set of wheels?

If not,  you will have to swop the spoke wheels disks every time you put the mags wheels on OR buy a second set of disks and pads. Lotsa ZAR   :deal:

I also had two set of wheels for my GS back in 2005. Eventually got gatvol of swoppings disks all the time and eventually just left the mag wheels on.

They were lighter and thus the bike was slightly faster.  :thumleft:

The mag wheels would give off small little silver shafings (almost like skilfers) when washing after a good offroad session, but before the wheels gave any shit, I sold the bike. I rode those mag wheels everywhere.

So in my opinion the extra set of wheels is a waste of money.   :3some:

Get spoke wheels and be done  :ricky:

@Leo

Thanks for your input.

Let me clarify, spoke wheels does not have anything on them no. The idea would be to fit them before the bike leaves the dealer. The mag rims then going on Gumtree and hope for a miracle and recoup some of the expense to have upgraded to spokes.

Not planning to ever fit them again so there will be no swapping between the sets.

The reason the rims are such a big discussion here is that 2 out of 50 people do not mind them. The other 48 people would not touch them with a stick. The skilfers thing is interesting... The idea I got was that the only issue they will have is if they get dinged up while doing off-road riding or hit a pothole.  :-\
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2021, 08:27:28 pm »
I have had an older aircooled gsa for almost 5 years.. nice bike and it can go anywhere if you want,road,mud,sand,rocks,single track tweespoor.  Recently got a ktm990s.. suspension is hard as a rock compared to my gsa. Hard to believe you buy a ready to race bike.. have to stip the shocks out to be send of to a specialist to revalve and respring ect to get a better ride.. in that aspect the gsa is a much nicer ride.. one/two buttons suspension is set and off you go... just my 2cents of not much else to offer.
Fyi both on WP suspension..

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2021, 08:39:32 pm »
Ja oom Danie.. die gsa kan ook jump.. maar as dit al is waavoor 'n bike gemaak word het hulle die pot heel mis gesit.. meeste bikes ry na die coffee shops.. daar jump hulle net pavements. Ek s nie my ktm is kak nie al wat ek s is hy ry hard in vergelyking met die gsa. Die OP soek 'n gemaklike bike om goeie gravel paaie te ry.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2021, 09:24:00 pm »
I would buy a cheaper GSA LC and a smallish road legal DS bike, then you have the best of both worlds for the same money as the GS and you can do way more - but that's just my humble NOOB opinion.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2021, 09:26:02 pm »
Ja oom Danie.. die gsa kan ook jump.. maar as dit al is waavoor 'n bike gemaak word het hulle die pot heel mis gesit.. meeste bikes ry na die coffee shops.. daar jump hulle net pavements. Ek s nie my ktm is kak nie al wat ek s is hy ry hard in vergelyking met die gsa. Die OP soek 'n gemaklike bike om goeie gravel paaie te ry.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2021, 09:38:56 pm »
My 2c, buy the bike you like, the colour that you want to look at again and again. The one that makes you lus to ride even when the weather is kak. There are no bad bikes out there. Spend as much as you can to get the one that you will keep. There's nothing worse than being in a position where you keep saying  I shoulda done this or I shoulda done that. Unless you really doing some rough stuff, the one with mags will be fine. If that is the one, then do it. A few years ago I was gifted a 2007 GSA, it's not the fastest, it's probably not the best. If I was choosing, it may not have been the one. But it has given me and swambo the most unbelievable time over almost 90K kms. We've been all over on it and tested many gravel roads and routes. It's been more than a bike, it's been freedom, new friends, new places and awesome times. The next one might be from the blue or the orange stable, who knows?  Just do it!



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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2021, 09:40:18 pm »
My first BMW was a standard '08 GS with ESA. Great bike and surprisingly capable off road.

I then bought one of the first Triumph Explorers in 2012. These bikes had cast wheels and no ESA, manual adjustment only. Missed the ESA for a short while but once the suspension was sorted, didn't miss it again. I was nervous about the wheels but had no issues. In all fairness, I didn't do much more than some rutted jeep track and didn't ride it like an over grown dirt bike either.

If you aren't doing rocky stuff, the mag wheels shouldn't be an issue. Dirt roads, no problem.

After the Triumph, I went back to BMW and ended up with a GSA. After that, the extras on the adventure are hard to ignore.

But, personally, I would consider the 1250. The 1200 air/oil cooled dohc engines were at the peak of their development. The LC just seemed more agricultural. I believe the 1250 is much improved.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2021, 06:56:05 am »
Let me clarify, spoke wheels does not have anything on them no. The idea would be to fit them before the bike leaves the dealer. The mag rims then going on Gumtree and hope for a miracle and recoup some of the expense to have upgraded to spokes.

Not planning to ever fit them again so there will be no swapping between the sets.

The reason the rims are such a big discussion here is that 2 out of 50 people do not mind them. The other 48 people would not touch them with a stick. The skilfers thing is interesting... The idea I got was that the only issue they will have is if they get dinged up while doing off-road riding or hit a pothole.  :-\

OK, thanks for clarifying.

Mikie's advise is, according to me,  the best thus far.  :thumleft:

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2021, 07:49:05 am »
Why not consider this one for R50k less. One year older and only 10k kms more. You can kit it to your own requirements

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2021, 08:44:36 am »
Get a 1200 GS before 2010. Substantially lighter and none of the electronic shit I have done 110000 kms on mine. Have bought and sold about 25 other bikes in the time that I've had it. Went as far as to buy another another oil cooled 1200 for the stable

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2021, 10:46:18 am »
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.
 
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« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2021, 06:34:11 pm »
I would buy the 1200 GS :3some:
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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2021, 07:22:03 pm »
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
 

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2021, 07:34:22 pm »
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2021, 07:39:54 pm »
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2021, 08:01:09 pm »
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2021, 09:10:53 pm »
If you just want to slab it the BMW is fine, but if you want to learn to ride, start with something lighter. My 2c.

No!  The OP said himself that he's brand-new in this game, and then you start with the biggest. BMW does not have small bikes.
G310!!! 25 kW!! It will be like riding my RZ50cc from high-school again!!

Point remains, it will not be an other bike than a BMW so that is why I have only asked between the options in the original post. It will also be a 1200 or 1250. No 800's or 850's or whatever else is currently on the market. Even if I had the money for a Multistrada V4 I would have still remained with the BMW. But with money I would have just walked into a dealer and bought a 1250 GSA brand new.

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Re: BMW GS Buyers Advice Needed
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2021, 09:26:50 pm »
Soos hulle s, kry die bike wat jy wil h,  ek het   n 1200 gs gehad. Lekker fiets , toe ek kleiner wou gaan na 800 gs , voel die bike te lig vir my en nie te lekker stewig op die langpad nie, lekker fiets maar 1000 cc of groter vir my.
As jy wil jump , kry n harley - Evil Knievel weet die beste van jump, vra hom.😹
Ek sal die 1250 vat, as die rims eendag moet chip of breek, kry dan die spokes, assuransie sal dalk betaal ook.
 
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