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If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« on: September 13, 2021, 06:18:27 pm »
Just in case for the blue/orange camp to knot their knickers, note his remark "you can replace the T7 with the 7/890, it's almost the same for this test" towards the end.
And 2SD, light a cigar mate!  :P



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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2021, 06:49:23 pm »
Haha I was about to post this video in the T7 thread.

Naturally I commented on that
There's no way a 500 scores 45 out of 50 for offroad use while a T7 scores 35.

He states that you have to change the oil on the 500 after every ride. Wtf is he smoking?
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2021, 06:55:08 pm »
I'm no racer, but the only conclusion I can make is that he rides both the 500 and T7 slowly.
The moment you start pushing a 500, you move in a different dimension/time zone than on a T7.
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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2021, 07:01:09 pm »
Haha I was about to post this video in the T7 thread.

Naturally I commented on that
There's no way a 500 scores 45 out of 50 for offroad use while a T7 scores 35.

He states that you have to change the oil on the 500 after every ride. Wtf is he smoking?



If you ride the 500 hard enough to leave the T7 behind, you have to change the 500's oil after every ride.
 
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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2021, 07:02:52 pm »
Thank you Mr. Steffels, it's like. a breath of fresh air to encounter such an honest and true video in our modern world of lies and deceit.
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2021, 07:23:43 pm »
Haha I was about to post this video in the T7 thread.

Naturally I commented on that
There's no way a 500 scores 45 out of 50 for offroad use while a T7 scores 35.

He states that you have to change the oil on the 500 after every ride. Wtf is he smoking?


If you ride the 500 hard enough to leave the T7 behind, you have to change the 500's oil after every ride.

Focus pinky. His argument is using a 500 for adv, you have to change the oil after every ride.
Maar ek weet die 2trollDan is alweer aan boord so fokvoort
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2021, 07:30:04 pm »
Haha I was about to post this video in the T7 thread.

Naturally I commented on that
There's no way a 500 scores 45 out of 50 for offroad use while a T7 scores 35.

He states that you have to change the oil on the 500 after every ride. Wtf is he smoking?


If you ride the 500 hard enough to leave the T7 behind, you have to change the 500's oil after every ride.

Focus pinky. His argument is using a 500 for adv, you have to change the oil after every ride.
Maar ek weet die 2trollDan is alweer aan boord so fokvoort



Jy is net so oor-sensitief soos n KTM koppelaar. O0
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2021, 07:47:37 pm »
I'm no racer, but the only conclusion I can make is that he rides both the 500 and T7 slowly.
The moment you start pushing a 500, you move in a different dimension/time zone than on a T7.

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2021, 08:14:24 pm »
Talking different levels of dual sport my choices will be:
1 bike - 700
2 bikes - 500 and the 1250
3 bikes - 500, 700 and the 1250.

I always thought a Gold Wing type of bike would be the ultimate in comfort.
Never ridden one but I have owned the BMW K1200LT, that thing was way less comfortable than my 1290 T.
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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2021, 08:22:57 pm »
jou stokkie uit jou broek geval

Is dit so hmm?
Interessant....

Ek verstaan wat jy bedoel, sy naam moet sodoende voorvelloos wees!
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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2021, 08:26:39 pm »
jou stokkie uit jou broek geval

Is dit so hmm?
Interessant....

Ek verstaan wat jy bedoel, sy naam moet sodoende voorvelloos wees!



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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2021, 08:28:19 pm »
jou stokkie uit jou broek geval

Is dit so hmm?
Interessant....

Ek verstaan wat jy bedoel, sy naam moet sodoende voorvelloos wees!



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Kaaskop  >:D
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2021, 08:32:06 pm »
jou stokkie uit jou broek geval

Is dit so hmm?
Interessant....

Ek verstaan wat jy bedoel, sy naam moet sodoende voorvelloos wees!



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Kaaskop  >:D



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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2021, 08:33:03 pm »
Talking differs levels of dual sport my choices will be:
1 bike - 700
2 bikes - 500 and the 1250
3 bikes - 500, 700 and the 1250.

I always thought a Gold Wing type of bike would be the ultimate in comfort.
Never ridden one but I have owned the BMW K1200LT, that thing was way less comfortable than my 1290 T.

I could agree with your 1 bike choice.
I felt that way about the XT660Z
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2021, 08:50:14 pm »
I currently have a KLR and a GS1150. KLR for local chores and occasional short trips. Solo
The GS is a wonderful 2-up tourer
I do not do rough terrain, but don't mind normal gravel roads
If I should replace my current bikes with a single bike, I would seriously consider the 650 S-Vstrom
That is a bike like the KLR; very capable in all sorts of conditions, but not the best in any of those conditions
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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2021, 08:31:16 am »
KTM has a bike in every category, 500, 800 and 1L+  - not one made it to the shootout, I think the answer is @  7:27  and  9:48   :deal:

The guy is biased towards the AT   - even before he scored the off road capability, I knew what it was in order to pull the score, #justsaying.

FWIW, the  Honda is 10% heavier than the T700 but lets face it, whether it is a 204 vs 226 kg (a lot), 22kg is not huge (less if it is not DCT), but the Honda has 30% more power)

The Honda also has the most ground clearance of the multi cylinders in the test.
It also carries almost more than 8 litres of fuel compared to the T700.
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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2021, 08:07:30 pm »
KTM has a bike in every category, 500, 800 and 1L+  - not one made it to the shootout, I think the answer is @  7:27  and  9:48   :deal:

The guy is biased towards the AT   - even before he scored the off road capability, I knew what it was in order to pull the score, #justsaying.

FWIW, the  Honda is 10% heavier than the T700 but lets face it, whether it is a 204 vs 226 kg (a lot), 22kg is not huge (less if it is not DCT), but the Honda has 30% more power)

The Honda also has the most ground clearance of the multi cylinders in the test.
It also carries almost more than 8 litres of fuel compared to the T700.




But the T700 is a Yamaha, the Honda is only a Honda. :deal:
 

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2021, 08:20:32 pm »
KTM has a bike in every category, 500, 800 and 1L+  - not one made it to the shootout, I think the answer is @  7:27  and  9:48   :deal:

The guy is biased towards the AT   - even before he scored the off road capability, I knew what it was in order to pull the score, #justsaying.

FWIW, the  Honda is 10% heavier than the T700 but lets face it, whether it is a 204 vs 226 kg (a lot), 22kg is not huge (less if it is not DCT), but the Honda has 30% more power)

The Honda also has the most ground clearance of the multi cylinders in the test.
It also carries almost more than 8 litres of fuel compared to the T700.
Unless you are at Tarlton, what do you do with the extra 30% more power, besides trying to power a heavier bike.

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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2021, 11:23:51 pm »
Unless you are at Tarlton, what do you do with the extra 30% more power, besides trying to power a heavier bike.

And you will be more off road capable on a 204 kg bike vs a 226 kg bike ?
Either one, in my books, is overweight by about 40 kg to do off road.

The 22kg that the Honda has on the T7 doesn't actually matter for the riding that is to be done on these boneys.

What does matter?

I've seen 890 with race ready suspension hang up in deep ruts - a combination of low ground clearance and it's girth.
Ground clearance is a desirable trait. 

The Yamaha is better, the Honda even more so. :thumleft:

A big issue, especially if you are not cruising along the N7, is fuel -  it allows you to get out there.
Fuel range is expensive to solve, adding weight - not that the few kg really matters , but adding to theT7  is going bump up the weight closer to the AT
(#JustSaying in case that 22kg is an issue for the rider and a decision breaker.)

Again the Honda trumps, it carries quite a bit more fuel than the T7 :thumleft:

The power, 75 hp, 100 hp is really not necessary in any off road application - so why mention it?
I pillioned on a KTM 890, never on a T700, but can tell you, the KTM engine is more suited to 2 up, why, the power.

The Honda has more than one, making it better at it where power matters, on the N7, Tarlton, R356 to Middelpos  :thumleft:

Which is why Honda is the best second bike to have over and above the must have 500 - 690 type bike.





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Re: If you'd be allowed to just ONE bike then.....
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2021, 11:46:15 pm »
Haha I was about to post this video in the T7 thread.

Naturally I commented on that
There's no way a 500 scores 45 out of 50 for offroad use while a T7 scores 35.

He states that you have to change the oil on the 500 after every ride. Wtf is he smoking?


Jy moet die olie op die KTM 500 elke 15 ure vervang.  Vir adventure ryery is dit net een naweek se ry.

If you ride the 500 hard enough to leave the T7 behind, you have to change the 500's oil after every ride.

Focus pinky. His argument is using a 500 for adv, you have to change the oil after every ride.
Maar ek weet die 2trollDan is alweer aan boord so fokvoort