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MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« on: September 20, 2021, 09:50:41 am »
Watching the MotoGP yesterday and having watched a lot of Isle of Man TT and green lane racing the last two weeks I was wondering what would happen if any of the top Isle of Man TT riders were to be put on a MotoGP bike? How long would it take for them to be competitive if at all?

I know to put a MotoGP rider on the Isle of Man would be murder as it takes years to "learn" that track.

What say you how would  Michael Dunlop or Bruce Anstey and others do on a MotoGP bike?
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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2021, 10:06:00 am »
Watching the MotoGP yesterday and having watched a lot of Isle of Man TT and green lane racing the last two weeks I was wondering what would happen if any of the top Isle of Man TT riders were to be put on a MotoGP bike? How long would it take for them to be competitive if at all?

I know to put a MotoGP rider on the Isle of Man would be murder as it takes years to "learn" that track.

What say you how would  Michael Dunlop or Bruce Anstey and others do on a MotoGP bike?

I think it is a very difficult call to make, due to the fact that the tracks and the bikes are very different. 

There are some of them who race in British Superbikes on occasion.  Peter Hickman who has won the Macau GP (similar to IOM) and the IOM TT did race in BSB for some years, but his best was 7th or 9th in the championship.  In the 80s Ron Haslam won the MacauGP six years running and one of two IOM races as well.  He raced MotoGP (then 500cc smokers), but never really inpressed.

So, my opinion is that the Irish Road Racing riders (which includes the IOM TT) won't feature in MotoGP.  The bikes and type of racing is just way too different.  The other way around today, would be the same.  No chance a MotoGP rider will win the IOM.  That said, up to the 70's they did so once a year as the IOM TT was the British Grand Prix.
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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2021, 10:37:46 am »
two different animals. the pinnacle of track and road racing.
Motogp guys are like the F1 guys, they usually start with karts/bikes before they can walk proper. They hone skills for many years, and are used to (close to perfect as possible) safety conditions. These guys have a sense of speed that is incredible.
Roadracing...... you need a passion for biking that is way stronger than the inherent dangers of road paint, stone walls and pavements.
It is not easy to cross over with disciplines.
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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2021, 11:43:01 am »
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2021, 12:03:31 pm »

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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2021, 12:16:00 pm »
Watching the MotoGP yesterday and having watched a lot of Isle of Man TT and green lane racing the last two weeks I was wondering what would happen if any of the top Isle of Man TT riders were to be put on a MotoGP bike? How long would it take for them to be competitive if at all?

I know to put a MotoGP rider on the Isle of Man would be murder as it takes years to "learn" that track.

What say you how would  Michael Dunlop or Bruce Anstey and others do on a MotoGP bike?

I think it is a very difficult call to make, due to the fact that the tracks and the bikes are very different. 

There are some of them who race in British Superbikes on occasion.  Peter Hickman who has won the Macau GP (similar to IOM) and the IOM TT did race in BSB for some years, but his best was 7th or 9th in the championship.  In the 80s Ron Haslam won the MacauGP six years running and one of two IOM races as well.  He raced MotoGP (then 500cc smokers), but never really inpressed.

So, my opinion is that the Irish Road Racing riders (which includes the IOM TT) won't feature in MotoGP.  The bikes and type of racing is just way too different.  The other way around today, would be the same.  No chance a MotoGP rider will win the IOM.  That said, up to the 70's they did so once a year as the IOM TT was the British Grand Prix.

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2021, 12:44:49 pm »
There are very few prima donnas ( if any at all ) in the TT races  ;) Most of the TT racers really understand the mechanical side of their bikes and can actually speak English  :thumleft:
 
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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2021, 12:47:11 pm »
There are very few prima donnas ( if any at all ) in the TT races  ;) Most of the TT racers really understand the mechanical side of their bikes and can actually speak English :thumleft:
Guy Martin do not speak english does he?!! ;) :peepwall: :lol8:
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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2021, 12:50:10 pm »
The additional testicular weight of IoM riders will mess terribly with the balance of MotoGP bikes.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2021, 12:53:03 pm »
If they have the TT every second week like MotoGP, there will be no riders left within a year.
 

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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2021, 12:55:22 pm »
VR doing the track in 2009.

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2021, 01:12:45 pm »
There are very few prima donnas ( if any at all ) in the TT races  ;) Most of the TT racers really understand the mechanical side of their bikes and can actually speak English :thumleft:
Guy Martin do not speak english does he?!! ;) :peepwall: :lol8:

True, he speaks Guy Martin dialect  :thumleft: What a character  ;D
 

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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2021, 01:15:15 pm »
There are very few prima donnas ( if any at all ) in the TT races  ;) Most of the TT racers really understand the mechanical side of their bikes and can actually speak English :thumleft:
Guy Martin do not speak english does he?!! ;) :peepwall: :lol8:

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2021, 01:50:35 pm »
The additional testicular weight of IoM riders will mess terribly with the balance of MotoGP bikes.

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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2021, 03:01:24 pm »
While the IoMTT is the pinnacle of Irish Road Racing, we tend to forget there are other races, similar to the IoM as well.  The first being the ManxGP which is also on the IoM, but more geared toward privateers and they also have the Classic TT at the same time.  Then there are the MacauGP in China, but considered part of the Irish Road Racing Circuit and of course many races on the roads of Ireland. 

These guys are all a tad off there rockers.  First, they race in super dangerous conditions and then they do it in more than one class.  Even the privateers with no bucks for a Superbike spec bike, will race in the Superbikes (if they qualify) with a Superstock 1000 bike.  Our own AJ Venter is guilty of this himself.  They have no chance, but do it for the " participation medal"  which is dished out to all who finished the prescribed 6 laps and who are still alive.

AJ Venter tells an interesting story.  It is how things happen at the IoM TT.  One of the electric bike classes lose their rider due to some serious tummy bug.  So the team manager walks up pit lane and says to AJ: "You seem free at the moment.  Would you like to ride our bike in the race later today?"  So AJ, immediately goes for it.  They walk over to their pits and AJ tells them he has never ridden one before.  They show him the controls, explain a few nitty gritty details and tell him to take the bike out on track.  AJ: "How many laps do you think I will get in for practise?"  Team Manager: "There are none.  You have this one to qualify and then the race in an hour!"   He qualified, raced, finished and remained alive.



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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2021, 03:04:55 pm »
VR doing the track in 2009.


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Re: MotoGP vs Isle of Man TT.
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2021, 03:20:33 pm »
While the IoMTT is the pinnacle of Irish Road Racing, we tend to forget there are other races, similar to the IoM as well.  The first being the ManxGP which is also on the IoM, but more geared toward privateers and they also have the Classic TT at the same time.  Then there are the MacauGP in China, but considered part of the Irish Road Racing Circuit and of course many races on the roads of Ireland. 

These guys are all a tad off there rockers.  First, they race in super dangerous conditions and then they do it in more than one class.  Even the privateers with no bucks for a Superbike spec bike, will race in the Superbikes (if they qualify) with a Superstock 1000 bike.  Our own AJ Venter is guilty of this himself.  They have no chance, but do it for the " participation medal"  which is dished out to all who finished the prescribed 6 laps and who are still alive.

AJ Venter tells an interesting story.  It is how things happen at the IoM TT.  One of the electric bike classes lose their rider due to some serious tummy bug.  So the team manager walks up pit lane and says to AJ: "You seem free at the moment.  Would you like to ride our bike in the race later today?"  So AJ, immediately goes for it.  They walk over to their pits and AJ tells them he has never ridden one before.  They show him the controls, explain a few nitty gritty details and tell him to take the bike out on track.  AJ: "How many laps do you think I will get in for practise?"  Team Manager: "There are none.  You have this one to qualify and then the race in an hour!"   He qualified, raced, finished and remained alive.

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