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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2010, 12:32:29 pm »
Oiy.  Mister Operator!   WTF is this .....  is the Djebel now not good enough any more ?
 





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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2010, 12:35:24 pm »
Oiy.  Mister Operator!   WTF is this .....  is the Djebel now not good enough any more ?
 





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Laat weet wanneer jy reg is om te verkoop... :pot:
 

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC Official Thread
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2010, 02:51:01 pm »



Definitely a grey (second hand import) model, believed to be around a 2002 model according to the previous owner. Paid 10k.

Im not technical and have noticed the following compared to the previous posts:
   Its a. DR250S as mentioned by Sidetrack. What is difference between R and S or for that matter al of them?
   Height Control. Is this only to compensate for short to tall riders or is there other logic?
   Upside down fork (other technical name please?) which is not shown previously. Could this be a mod? And what is the logic again?
   What oil filler is in front of the petrol tank?
   According to previous owner it at least reaches 100km/h. Surely it should do more? Maybe in need of a major service and what mods would improve performance?
   Have I paid too much for the 21k kilometres done?

Some info.  The previous owner is about 10 years of the mark!  The model shown above is a 1991 jobbie.  Here is a screen shot taken from a relevant page at www.suzukicycles.org (The "All Suzuki Motorcycles Ever Built" website):





The main differences between the S and R models are:
- The R has a completely different and more modern motor and gear box (external oil cooler, a magnesium alloy head, and exhaust system among other).  The S delivered 18 kW while the  R output @ 22 kW.
- The S had a 5 speed box, while the R boost with a six speed box.  
- The odometers also differ in that the R has a modern digital one.

Here is a 1997 DR250R.  Note the obvious differences in front forks, the motor, the swing arm and exhaust system


-  As far as I can discover the last S model was made in 1993 and the first R scooters were introduced in 1996.

-  Height control is easier on the R as it has an two height positions at which the rear suspension can be set.
-  I have obtained the lighting speed of 126 km/h on my Djebel 250XC (remember basically the same bike, only different tank and headlight and cosmetics)
-  As to paying to much .... well all I can comment is that a clean Djebel with similar kilo's will set you back about R25k at present.  So, perhaps the R10k paid is not bad at all.  

Enjoy your new toy  :thumleft:


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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2010, 03:10:05 pm »
Picked up this one yesterday for Ba. She is chuffed as ... as that guy that got pushed in front of the Steam Loco  :) The poor girl cant even properly balance a tricycle.  >:D
Definitely a grey (second hand import) model, believed to be around a 2002 model according to the previous owner. Paid 10k.

Im not technical and have noticed the following compared to the previous posts:
   Its a. DR250S as mentioned by Sidetrack. What is difference between R and S or for that matter al of them?
   Height Control. Is this only to compensate for short to tall riders or is there other logic?
   Upside down fork (other technical name please?) which is not shown previously. Could this be a mod? And what is the logic again?
   What oil filler is in front of the petrol tank?
   According to previous owner it at least reaches 100km/h. Surely it should do more? Maybe in need of a major service and what mods would improve performance?
   Have I paid too much for the 21k kilometers done?


Havent done any other inspections yet except when taking him (its going to be a girls bike) home, I note the short gear ratios and maybe a bit sluggish. On other hand Im used to a 650.


Your age estimate is a tad off. Your bike is more likely a 1990 model :o
This one: DR250S

Probably a 2002 second hand import. Which in beautiful SA makes it a 2002 model ::)

I don't know too much about the DR250.

It started off in 1982 with the DR250S and went with little change on until 1994 or 1995. 1990 saw the introduction of the DR250SE. In other Suzuki DR's the addition SE (second edition?) marked the change to SCEM cylinders (DR650SE and DR200SE both introduced in 1996). I think and stand to be corrected the DR250SE marked the introduction of the electric starter. ???

The 1990 DR250SE is the only one I could find pictiure references for the upside down forks. (Yes, they were OEM)

The further line of development spat out three mostly unrelated DR250 (to the early DR250S / SE) models in either 1995 or 1996: The DR250RS, DRZ250 and Djebel250XC. Only the DjebelXC is reasonably common in South Africa a but also only as a grey import.
The later DR250RS / DRZ250 / Djebel250XC have a completely different air / oil cooled DOHC engine similar in basic design to the water cooled DRZ400. See pics supplied by Watty.

The ride height adjustment was only available in the USD fork variant ??? and it was an optional extra ??? . These two statements are very vague based on what I remember about bikes I had not any interest in and diluted by all the beers of the last 20 years ;D And yes it's designed for shorties :D
As far as I remember the variable ride height was also only available in certain countries (Germany being one of them). The idea was to get girls into riding a DS bike. At that time all the tough cookies were used to the tall bikes already :D

The oil filler cap in front of your petrol tank is for your engine oil. It has the oil dipstick attached to it. If there's no oil in there your engine is kaputt! This system is commonly referred to as dry sump

The bike should cruise happily at about 100 and get up to 120 or so. One source on the web hereclaims 135km/h which I think is not realistic for a 16kW bike unless you ride down a mine shaft (or down Sir Lewry's Pass in a howling Southeaster which gives you similar results :D )

If the price is justified will depend entirely on the bikes condition. R10k is not much for a good & reliable bike but 20 years is quite something for a bike.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2010, 03:13:55 pm by lecap »
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2010, 03:38:32 pm »
@ Watty & Le Cap
Thanks, I appreciate your time and effort.
Will take this home the weekend and share with Barbara, although I'm sure she will first exercise her balancing act.  :biggrin: (big fun in the driveway)
 

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2010, 04:14:16 pm »
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That djebel is a beautiful bike!!
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2010, 10:06:49 am »
BTW, Watty, I don't think the specs given by www.suzukicycles.org for the 1991 DR250 are correct. The 1991 bike (see picture below in your reply #22) has the older 16kW / 22HP four valve OHC engine. Looks as if the later DOHC mill's specs have sneaked in there?

Not sure but I think the ride height adjustment mentioned in the OP is the fancy "flick a lever on the fly" system that allows to drop and pump up the suspension as you ride along.
Not the suspension with two different height settings as found on the DR650SE amongst others. These require about two hours and disassembly of shock spring & spring support & forks to change.
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2010, 04:37:04 pm »
Some more info from the web re the different DR250's being discussed in this thread:

DR250S Standard
Single cam
4 Valve
Air cooled
Kick start

1990 to ? The DR250 is the Japanese home market version of the DR350 we had in the early to mid nineties. Most of them come with upside down forks, a few have electric start and the SH model has the Suzuki Height adjust system. This works by hydraulically preloading both the front and rear suspension. Turn the handlebar mounted knob to "L" and the bike drops two or three inches. Turn it to "H" and the the bike pumps itself back up as the suspension moves over the next few bumps.

DR250RS Standard
Twin cam
4 Valve
Air cooled
Electric start and kick

1996 to present The DR250RS is a complete new bike compared to the previous model. The twin cam motor is smooth, powerful and very free revving and the whole bike feels pleasantly light. The first models had a simple analogue speedo, but from 97 onwards the all singing all dancing digital unit from the Djebel was fitted. The seat height can be altered by means of the rear shock which has two lower mounting points. Changing from one to the other can be accomplished in about 15 minutes with the aid of several large spanners and a milk crate.

DR250XC (Djebel)
Twin cam
4 Valve
Air cooled
Electric start and kick

1996 to present the "Desert race"  rep version of the above bike, with wider seat, large tank and a dinner plate sized headlamp. The digital dash has a clock, stopwatch and twin tripmeters, programmable to count up or down.
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2010, 10:15:09 am »
DR250S first series from 1982 until 1989

It then saw a major facelift in 1990 externally as well as internally. Have not researched this thoroughly. Still a very similar 4 valve OHC air cooled but the 1990ff for example has double valve springs and a more modern styling.
1990 - 1993 DR250S kick start
1990 - 1995 DR250SE Kick & electric start.
Either the SE or both the S and SE were at some stages available with the affix H and the pump high & drop low suspension. I think it's only on models with USD front forks which were at least avauilable in 1990 and 1991

The OHC DR250SE was finally dropped at the end of the 1995 model year in favor of the DR250RS DOHC

We're getting there. The combined knowledge of this forum is enormous :D
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2010, 10:36:11 am »
......
We're getting there. The combined knowledge of this forum is enormous :D

And please do'nt stop. As mentioned I took your info to Ba and she was like a spunch. I had to explain and physicaly show dif's on suspensions, air/liq cooled, dry/wet sump and so on.
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2010, 11:38:35 am »
And to entertain, here are some Djebels in action on YouTube:

Djebel 250XC videos


Having fun in Russia  :thumleft:

Climbing a hill

On a muddy track

Snow

More mud  

Forest trail

Somewhere in Japan
 
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2010, 08:49:26 pm »
 Greetings from Russia.
 
 Hi ;) Could you help me to find a manual for Suzuki Djebel 250 XC an English? I tried to find this in Moscow, but i found nothing. Only Japanese manual and i could not translate it. If you want you may visited our Russian club. www.djebel-club.ru
 Oh. Sorry for my English :)
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2010, 08:08:20 am »
Greetings from Russia.
 
 Hi ;) Could you help me to find a manual for Suzuki Djebel 250 XC an English? I tried to find this in Moscow, but i found nothing. Only Japanese manual and i could not translate it. If you want you may visited our Russian club. www.djebel-club.ru
 Oh. Sorry for my English :)
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Хороший день ILYA

Welcome to the Wilddogs - the best dual-sport adventure motorcycling forum in and South Africa!  :thumleft:

Sorry, but that manual in English is a problem and also in great demand here.  The best one can do is to get a manual for the DRZ250 from the USA (the Djebel and DRZ250 share about 90% the identical components).  On Thumper Talk go and look at these posting regarding similar requests for a manual http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=623789&highlight=

I visited your website at www.djebel-club.ru - some really nice and interesting stuff.   :thumleft: Obviously the Russian is a little bit of a problem  :P, but using AltaVista Babel Fish (provides online text and web page language translation) I was able to get arround!

It would be really interesting if you could perhaps post some more on WDs regarding your activities.  So, give us Ride Reports, lots of photos, ect.


 

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2010, 03:23:56 pm »
Hi please find below a link to a recently set up forum for the Djebel-DR250R-DRZ250..........

http://twincam250.forumotion.net/  :thumleft:

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2010, 03:38:02 pm »
Hi please find below a link to a recently set up forum for the Djebel-DR250R-DRZ250..........

http://twincam250.forumotion.net/  :thumleft:

Karl
Thanks for the link. Have added it to the first post of this thread.  Will definitely go and check it out  :thumleft:

See it is your 1st post.  Tell us a bit more about how you ended up here on Wilddogs @ New Member Introductions
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2010, 05:28:15 pm »


Thanks for the welcome Watty,

I'm from England and have had my Djebel since 2001 and i found this site while searching for Djebel stuff

It was not officially sold in the UK and is what we refer to as a Jap or Grey import

Hope you find the forum of interest

Other bikes i own at present are... Suzuki RV125 Vanvan, Suzuki TR50S StreetMagic, Suzuki Choi Nori, Suzuki AP50,
Honda Monkey R, Jincheng M50D(monkey replica),Rokon Ranger 2WD

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2010, 04:26:06 pm »
I'm going to have a look at this little pup tonight. He wants R15K odd for it but that's a bit much for a 20yr old scoot. I'll see if I can negotiate: http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=183733805
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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2010, 07:25:13 pm »
Seeing that more and more WD members are acquiring these bikes, this thread is to function as the exchange of ideas and technical queries.  The following models are relevant, being basically just different versions of the same bike:

  • Suzuki Djebel 250XC
  • Suzuki DR 250R
  • Suzuki DRZ 250

Oh so that's how it is   :( ........ exclude the 200, just go ahead ......  >:D
 

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2010, 08:00:02 pm »
Not the same scooter. Why not start a thread for the Djebel 200 and DR200SE ?  The DR650 and DRZ400 each has their own.
 

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Re: Suzuki Djebel 250XC, DR250R and DRZ250 - Official Thread
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2010, 08:49:59 am »
Had a look at that bike last night but was disappointed. "Mooi van ver maar ver van mooi". I get nervous when frames have been resprayed and shocks redone by the neighbour so I never even bothered putting in an offer. Besides, it was too tall for SWAMBO anyway.
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