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CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« on: February 20, 2009, 08:38:45 am »
Has anyone heard of /or used a CRF250R /CRF450R as a DS bike, or rather used one to travel distances of say 200km to 300km at a time?

If so what modifications would be necessary?

I do know that the enduro versions of these bikes would be a better bet, but I am curious!

Any info?
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 10:08:07 am »
Bad idea.
When last did you ride one of the mentioned bikes?
Too little oil capacity.
Bad ergos for prolonged seated riding.
Too hard suspension.
Too small fuel capacity.
No electrics.

The list just goes on...
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 10:19:38 am »
More of an expansion of the original question... (Tyger, just going to latch onto your thread if you don't mind)

I understand that the 450X is the Enduro version and the R is the MX version. Is the X more suited to a DS style bike? Also, what are the service intervals and, if hourly, what's required and can it be done at home?

Cheers

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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 10:21:37 am »
The X models are a bad idea, the R models even more so.

To even get an X to touring spec is going to cost you such a lot you might as well buy a 2nd cheap DS bike.
 

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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 10:29:35 am »
Go take a demo ride on the 650 Xchallenge

They have been doing some very good deals on them lately
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 11:15:56 am »
Go take a demo ride on the 650 Xchallenge

They have been doing some very good deals on them lately
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2009, 11:24:08 am »
Have seen a few CRF450X's kitted out for DS use. (have not seen one in the plastic though, only in print).
Most seem to replace the Ti valves with steel items. - apparently the Ti valves wear away (relatively quickly) were they make contact with the valve seats...

And that's just the engine.

So, it can be done, but you will need to throw copious amounts of cash at it methinks...
You will end up spending plenty more than what the suggested XChallenge will set you back.
 

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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2009, 11:26:35 am »
More of an expansion of the original question... (Tyger, just going to latch onto your thread if you don't mind)

I understand that the 450X is the Enduro version and the R is the MX version. Is the X more suited to a DS style bike? Also, what are the service intervals and, if hourly, what's required and can it be done at home?

Cheers

L

I would`nt say the X is THE ultimate DS bike or a DS bike by any stretch, X service intervals are every 1000km`s while the R intervals are every 20hrs.

The biggest thing in these services are the valve clearances/shimming
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 11:27:06 am »
Bad idea.
When last did you ride one of the mentioned bikes?
Too little oil capacity.
Bad ergos for prolonged seated riding.
Too hard suspension.
Too small fuel capacity.
No electrics.

The list just goes on...

On the weekend
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2009, 11:38:57 am »
The reason I started this topic is because I am continuously plagued by the question of what the best ONE bike to serve all purposes would be.

I love really technical type riding but on the other hand really enjoy being ale to jump on my bike & hit the road.
I will be honest , the majority of DS bikes cannot perform this function.

I bumped into a guy at work who had toured africa on a crf450R. I did`nt have time to have an in depth discussion with respect to maintenance, services  so on but am really intrigued as to whether this is really possible .

I am about to purchase a motocrosser next week & was wondering , should the whim take me, could I jump on the bike & do a 200km ride...obviously with long range tank etc
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 01:20:36 pm »
The circle keeps coming back to the Suzuki DRZ 400!
 

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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 03:17:45 pm »
But u already own the ultimate now go and ride dammit  :pot:
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2009, 04:18:03 pm »
The circle keeps coming back to the Suzuki DRZ 400!

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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 08:26:34 am »
The circle keeps coming back to the Suzuki DRZ 400!

Real bikes are red! :pot:
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2009, 11:06:56 am »
The circle keeps coming back to the Suzuki DRZ 400!

Real bikes are red! :pot:

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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2009, 11:27:03 am »
Come on guys !!

Thought somebody would come up with a really exciting story about how they/buddies rode from cape to cairo on a motocross bike & survived to tell the tale!
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2009, 02:23:31 pm »
Go and buy a CRF and dual sport it, maybe it will blow up maybe not. I'm willing to bet you will end up with monkey butt way before the valves start to go anyway. You are obviously a Honda fan and nothing much will change your opinion on other bikes so why ask the question. There is only a couple of sucky Suzuki 400's on this forum and not much else in that size range so some opinions from CRF ds owners you will not find here. Try ADVrider or E-dirt.
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2009, 08:45:39 am »
Go and buy a CRF and dual sport it, maybe it will blow up maybe not. I'm willing to bet you will end up with monkey butt way before the valves start to go anyway. You are obviously a Honda fan and nothing much will change your opinion on other bikes so why ask the question. There is only a couple of sucky Suzuki 400's on this forum and not much else in that size range so some opinions from CRF ds owners you will not find here. Try ADVrider or E-dirt.

Whoa easy there!!

First off , I am a motorcycle fan, secondly I am more inclined to the red variety, the same as(I assume) you are more of the yellow inclination.

My question was not...```Are there any bikes that could possibly be better than a honda...yeah right never in a milion years...come on guys try & disprove me!!```

I posed a moot question, hoping for some interesting information from my fellow WD`s.

Having some experience with motorcycles, I am aware of the fact that a motocross bike was not designed as a DS bike!......& I do not have any intention of travelling to Ethiopia on one either!

As mentioned in an earlier post, I met a person who had toured various african countries on a MX bike, now maybe its just me, but as a motorcyclist  I find the whole idea fascinating!   

The intention of this post was not to attack other brands of motorcycle, but simply to gather information on a subject that I feel passionate about.


Thought we were all in the same boat here!

 
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2009, 09:50:36 am »
Have you searched any Honda-specific forums?
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Re: CRF250R or CRF450R as DS bike?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2009, 07:21:59 pm »
Yes you can ride a CRF 450 200 km everyday, offcourse it's possible but everything would be stacked against you unless you ride the most knarly singletrack from your house to wherever and back. Uncomfortable, small tank, no subframe, very few aftermarket ds extras, crappy lights, smallish stator output, less than 1 l of oil, close ratio gearbox etc. You really would be better off on a DRZ 400 which is sold as a ds bike and takes close to 2 l of oil, decent subframe etc. KTM 525 makes a competent ds bike too but you need some mods (oil cooler, cush drive etc.) It makes alot of power but the motor is still old school and not as stressed as a mx motor.

If you don't like yellow it would the following for me :

1) KTM 525 (same power as a XR 650 yet lighter and better suspension)
2) XR 650 (bullet proof, lots of aftermarket support)
3) Husky TE 610 (competent but parts may be a problem)
4) WR 450 (less maintenance than a CRF)
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