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TYRE BALLS, your opinions please
« on: August 09, 2009, 09:25:30 am »
Yesterday Pure Orange and I did a fun enduro in Eendekuil. We had a fantastic ride with lots of different terain water crossings etc, only to end up with me getting a puncture 50km into the ride. This also spoilt his ride as he had to fetch the trailer to collect my stricken bike.

What do you guys think of tyre balls?

I also like to fuck around on the MX track at Zone 7. How will tyre balls do on a big jump?
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Re: TYRE BALLS, your opinions please
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 08:22:50 pm »
They work well - but will make you no friends.

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Re: TYRE BALLS, your opinions please
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 08:56:02 pm »
Arent they Moer expensive?
 

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 09:00:26 pm »
Any friend that you ask to help you fit them will be a friend no more

It's OK, I owe him big time.
I'll bring my own Elastoplast  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 09:15:32 pm »
High maintenance! Very expensive!

If you going to fit them yourself, make sure you got plenty of tyre levers.  If you can't fit tyres don't even try it yourself.  The job requires you to fit the tyre while it's fully inflated.  Lots of silicone spray helps with the job.
 

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 06:57:09 am »
OK so what about mousse.

A-MX do you sell this stuff and have an idea what the tyre balls and mousse sell for? Its for a KX250, 21" front 18  EDIT 19" back

SB, bring elastoplast and tyre levers and maybe some extra patches for all the balls that get punctured in the process :biggrin:
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 05:43:17 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 06:28:24 pm »
About R2000 a wheel.
:o :o :o :o

Tx, and mousse?
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 06:33:22 pm »
I contacted the importer about 2 years ago about tyre balls for my 950. He said the bikes were to fast end heavy.

The best solution is to learn how  to cange a tyre..quick. ;D
 

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 06:38:03 pm »
I contacted the importer about 2 years ago about tyre balls for my 950. He said the bikes were to fast end heavy.

The best solution is to learn how  to cange a tyre..quick. ;D


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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2009, 07:42:08 pm »
OK so what about mousse.

A-MX do you sell this stuff and have an idea what the tyre balls and mousse sell for? Its for a KX250, 21" front 18  EDIT 19" back

SB, bring elastoplast and tyre levers and maybe some extra patches for all the balls that get punctured in the process :biggrin:

Sorry, don't sell them.  Not exactly a product that works for me.
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 07:59:45 pm »
What about tubliss I-horse?
 

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 08:32:37 pm »
About R2000 a wheel.
:o :o :o :o

Tx, and mousse?

R2300 a wheel, but not for D/S bikes, doesn't smaak the heat.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2009, 09:02:53 pm »
What about tubliss I-horse?

Ok for lighter DS, but for racing a flat ends the race.

I guess slime is the affordable solution. I see a lot of guys riding with tyre weld, will definately take that with next time.

How does slime and tyre weld mix?
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 08:20:26 am »
I would use Tubliss for MX but if you are in the bush then mousse is the only way to go.
Ufudo uses tyre balls and has never had a problem. Check with him on the advantages over mousse.

I just use 4mm tubes and slime or Amerseal.
Green slime still does its job when mixed with a can of tyre weld (only to really pump the tube) and others dont.
Amerseal, the tyre weld dilutes it an it does not seem to work properly. Use bombs to inflate.
 

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 08:54:30 am »
I would use Tubliss for MX but if you are in the bush then mousse is the only way to go.
Ufudo uses tyre balls and has never had a problem. Check with him on the advantages over mousse.

I just use 4mm tubes and slime or Amerseal.
Green slime still does its job when mixed with a can of tyre weld (only to really pump the tube) and others dont.
Amerseal, the tyre weld dilutes it an it does not seem to work properly. Use bombs to inflate.


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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2009, 10:27:30 am »
Endro and mx tyre balls 100% my experience less than half unsprung weight and can run up to 70% punctured balls and still finish flat out,also good for setting pressures for conditions and can run much lower over all pressures for conditions(traction+++).In my opinion less effort than a mouse once you get the techn right for fitting(lots of leavers). Cant use them for desert racing(high speed and heat)and dual purpose same problem.
 

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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2009, 06:21:57 pm »
Endro and mx tyre balls 100% my experience less than half unsprung weight and can run up to 70% punctured balls and still finish flat out,also good for setting pressures for conditions and can run much lower over all pressures for conditions(traction+++).In my opinion less effort than a mouse once you get the techn right for fitting(lots of leavers). Cant use them for desert racing(high speed and heat)and dual purpose same problem.

I am not sure if I agree with you, it sounds a bit like sales pitch, but if you loose 70% of the balls in a tyre that takes about 39 balls, that then means you loose 25+odd balls.  If it is your front wheel there is not enough pressure to keep the tyre inflated and they tend to move to one part of the wheel, creating a very unbalanced wheel.
On the rear wheel it will be far worse and you would probably damage the rest when you place excessive drive on the tyre.

I know 70% is rather an excessive case, but then one needs to be realistic.

The last time I fitted these balls each ones seams had to be trimmed, and I am not sure if that is the case.  But when the wheel came back for a new tyre it became apparent that some of the balls had torn on the seams.

To be honest the idea is good but the system is a mission, especially if you are a racer.  If you go through a tyre every 3-4 races then to replace tyre balls and a tyre with the mission of fitment becomes a total headache, never mind the cost factor.
 

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 09:47:50 am »
A-MX what is your opinion on mousse?
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 08:29:09 am »
I would go for a mousse before I even touch the tyre balls.  At one stage I had mousses in my KTM 300 which was a god send when I was riding in De Wildt.  If you pick up a serious thorn/stump, you just pull it out and off you go.  It makes sense if you are going to right off the cost of tubes and puncture repairs.
However they also need maintenance.  They need to be kept lubed in a silicone/gel inside the tyre.  If they dry out they start to perish and disintegrate.  Some people say they only last 6 months but I had mine much longer then that. They are also a bitch to fit.

You need to look at what terrain you are riding in?

Now I only use tubes.  I use enduro tubes for lining and normal tubes to inflate.  This is actually a perfect setup.  Enduro tubes these days cost R300+ which is very expensive.  So if you have to replace enduro tubes every time you have a puncture then the mousse price seems to look attractive.  However, by using the enduro (super thick tube) as a liner and a standard tube to inflate then you are saving big time as a normal tube only costs in the region of R90 - R120 depending on the back or front.
What is also great about this specific setup is that there is enough rubber in your tyre to actually ride back to the start without damaging your rim or tyre and it is not a mission to change tubes or tyres.  Another point to remember is that I find there is almost no chance of pinching the tubes as the enduro tubes protects the standard tube.  Puncture repair on standard tubes are also more successful then enduro tubes.