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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2009, 12:40:18 am »
I can do the Dakkie but only end of next week. Roughly R 800 parts and labour.

The DRZ bearing is not only non standard size but it also has a rubber seal (something al those F650GS / GSDakar owners wish they had).
If you buy the flea-bay cheapos they will be fubar after washing the bike three times.

Not nice to cut stering head bearing inner races off. (Almost impossible not to cut into the stem tube) Better rip the cage and rollers off and macweld a piece of square tube over the stem tube and onto the race and then put square tube in vice and tap triple clamp and stem tube out with mallet.
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2009, 08:17:12 am »
Canoe het mos nie bearings noodig nie of hoe?

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2009, 08:21:08 am »
So I got some bearings from PSP, its arriving today.

Its about half price compared to Suzuki...

From looking at a microfiche of the DRZ steering head, I can only see the bearings, no seals

Is the rubber seal part of the bearing? Or is it a seperate seal?

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2009, 09:01:10 am »
The bearing is the same as fitted to the DR650SE part no 09265-30014

It has a shaft seal as an integral part of the bearing fitted to the large diameter end of the inner race. It seals against the steering head bore just above / below the outer races of the bearings.

Very nice design actually.

Bus, please bring the bearings to drinks if possible. Keen to have a look. I have a customer waiting for replacement on his DR650SE, would be very nice if the generic ones are identical (=sealed) like OEM.

If they are not sealed I'll buy you a beer and we throw them into the dustbin together ;D
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2009, 09:02:44 am »

I paid R 110.00 each in Centurion.Ok a year ago.It is the same as the wheel bearing in the old Mazda 323 rear wheel drive.For Dakkie.BMW asking R900.00 for the same thing.And they buy theirs from Bearing Man when run out of stock.
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2009, 09:12:15 am »

I paid R 110.00 each in Centurion.Ok a year ago.It is the same as the wheel bearing in the old Mazda 323 rear wheel drive.For Dakkie.BMW asking R900.00 for the same thing.And they buy theirs from Bearing Man when run out of stock.

The Dakkie / F650GS steering head bearing is a 320/28X industry standard tapered roller bearing. Available from engineering suppliers.

The DR650SE / DRZ steering head bearing is NOT a industry standard bearing. Available from Suzuki.
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2009, 09:14:57 am »
The DR650SE / DRZ steering head bearing is NOT a industry standard bearing. Available from Suzuki.

+1 Exactly what I was told by 2 seperate bearing companies...

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2009, 09:16:14 am »
Apparently this is a list of bikes that use the same bearings...

Kawasaki KLX400 400 cc 2003
DR650SE 650 cc 1996-2008
DRZ250 250 cc 2001-2007
DRZ400E 400 cc 2000-2007
DRZ400S 400 cc 2000-2008
DRZ400SM 400 cc 2005-2008
RM125 125 cc 1993-2004
RM250 250 cc 1993-2004
RMX250 250 cc 1993-1998
RMZ450 450 cc 2005 ball type
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2009, 10:18:18 am »
I just checked the F650 maintenace video and the guy showed quite clearly how to change the bearings, but somewhere along the way he mentioned that with the GS (he was working on the classic funduro) one would need a special tool from BMW to do the neck bearing change? Anyone know anything further on this topic?
 

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2009, 02:49:23 pm »
I just checked the F650 maintenace video and the guy showed quite clearly how to change the bearings, but somewhere along the way he mentioned that with the GS (he was working on the classic funduro) one would need a special tool from BMW to do the neck bearing change? Anyone know anything further on this topic?

in the haynes manual for the new model f650gs/dakar they show the entire process to replace the bearings as well

and they show this "special" tool - and show you how to make your own one - very basic and should not take more than 10min to make one
 

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2009, 03:07:31 pm »
Canoe het mos nie bearings noodig nie of hoe?

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Moenie laat ek begin fotos post nie...  >:D

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2009, 03:10:51 pm »
Hahaha!!!

You thik we should do a ride report?
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2009, 03:13:27 pm »
Anyways, got me a "All Balls" bearing kit with seals and all.

Got it from Paul at PSP Racing, ended up being just over R500

Looks like pretty good stuff.

Will take to Kriges for Lecap to inspect... :drunken_smilie:

Also, does anyone have any experience with "All Balls"? (No chirps, pls...)
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2009, 03:13:53 pm »
Hahaha!!!

You thik we should do a ride report?

why not, I am afraid of no canoe...!!!   ammmm i mean ghost. I will call the ghostbusters and kayakers!!!!!!

Hijack off,

hurry up and fix the neck of that goose for the annual bash bra!!! klomp canoe at boegoeberg river dam i hear...GGGrrrrrrr :laughing4:
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2009, 03:22:00 pm »
I paid R 110.00 each in Centurion.Ok a year ago.It is the same as the wheel bearing in the old Mazda 323 rear wheel drive.For Dakkie.BMW asking R900.00 for the same thing.And they buy theirs from Bearing Man when run out of stock.

is the top and bottom bearings the same on the dakar?

also wheel bearings dont come with the race that the bearing runs in?

if you buy these standard bearings from say bearing man does it come as a set - bearing and race ???
 

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2009, 03:31:41 pm »
is the top and bottom bearings the same on the dakar?

also wheel bearings dont come with the race that the bearing runs in?

if you buy these standard bearings from say bearing man does it come as a set - bearing and race ???

Maybe phone Bearing Man or R&V. I asked but cant remember what they said... I think they called it a taper roller bearing with cone (race?)

Bearing Plus was also very helpful...
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2009, 03:35:04 pm »
is the top and bottom bearings the same on the dakar?

also wheel bearings dont come with the race that the bearing runs in?

if you buy these standard bearings from say bearing man does it come as a set - bearing and race ???

Maybe phone Bearing Man or R&V. I asked but cant remember what they said... I think they called it a taper roller bearing with cone (race?)

Bearing Plus was also very helpful...

cool - with cone is the answer  :thumleft:

hopefully mine wount give me issue for another year - had them replaced under warranty 3 months ago so they are still okay

but they just dont last on the bmw  :'(
 

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2009, 03:36:51 pm »
Stop wheelying that Dakkie then...  ::)
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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2009, 03:40:10 pm »
Stop wheelying that Dakkie then...  ::)

my wheelies are so smooth you dont even realise that they have happened  ::)
 

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Re: Steering Head Bearings
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2009, 05:13:04 pm »
They dont do that size, 30x52x16 taper roller bearing...


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