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Which Enduro bike to buy??
« on: October 25, 2009, 07:35:37 am »
Atter doing the Goudinie funduro on Uiltije's farm ( :thumleft: Uiltjie) yesterday I realised that MX bikes are not meant for enduro's. I ended up deflating my tyres to soften the setup.
The power delivery and the gearbox is also not ideal for this type of riding and I ended up stalling the bike regularly and nearly saw my .... a few times!

So I think I'll keep my trusty old KX250 stroker for Z7 and look for and enduro bike. The problem is my budget is quite small (R30k).

It MUST have a happy button.

1) From what year did the KTM 300 get electric start?

2) Is it only the Honda's that suffer from valve problems or is it a 4-stroke thing?

3) It seems like the KTM's have the best suspension in this class. Is that true?
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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 07:45:31 am »
Atter doing the Goudinie funduro on Uiltije's farm ( :thumleft: Uiltjie) yesterday I realised that MX bikes are not meant for enduro's. I ended up deflating my tyres to soften the setup.
The power delivery and the gearbox is also not ideal for this type of riding and I ended up stalling the bike regularly and nearly saw my .... a few times!

So I think I'll keep my trusty old KX250 stroker for Z7 and look for and enduro bike. The problem is my budget is quite small (R30k).

It MUST have a happy button.

1) From what year did the KTM 300 get electric start?

2) Is it only the Honda's that suffer from valve problems or is it a 4-stroke thing?  They all do! 

3) It seems like the KTM's have the best suspension in this class. Is that true? Could be, most probably.

Do a search on WDs, this was covered a while ago.  A lot of riders prefer MX bikes, as they have more snappy power at hand, and are much lighter.  My son for instance, swaps a happy buttom for weight......

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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 08:38:45 am »

Do a search on WDs, this was covered a while ago.  A lot of riders prefer MX bikes, as they have more snappy power at hand, and are much lighter.  My son for instance, swaps a happy buttom for weight......

Thanx for coming, it was a lekka day...... :thumleft:

I'm hoping a softer suspension and longer gear ratio would make up for my lack of skills, am I fooling myself?

BTW, where do we get the photo's that were taken on the course? I don't see anything on the blog.
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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 12:13:48 pm »

Do a search on WDs, this was covered a while ago.  A lot of riders prefer MX bikes, as they have more snappy power at hand, and are much lighter.  My son for instance, swaps a happy buttom for weight......

Thanx for coming, it was a lekka day...... :thumleft:

I'm hoping a softer suspension and longer gear ratio would make up for my lack of skills, am I fooling myself?

BTW, where do we get the photo's that were taken on the course? I don't see anything on the blog.

Busy uploading, check Cape Enduro forum.
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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 03:38:49 pm »
Ermmm....

Does anyone know from which year the KTM 300 came with a happy button?
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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 04:00:53 pm »
2008 was the first one, the model designation is 300 XC-WE or XC-E
 

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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 07:31:24 pm »
On 2stroke kicking is fine, 4stroke happy button a must! KTM300 still primarily kickstart, very light elec. start circuit, for when
you're in that tight gulley.
A real Enduro bike is much less tiring in a Enduro, more pulling power low down and lower 1st. gear ratio. Usually less prone
to headshake due to frame geometry which means rider can relax a bit more.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 09:51:23 pm »
On 2stroke kicking is fine, 4stroke happy button a must! KTM300 still primarily kickstart, very light elec. start circuit, for when
you're in that tight gulley.
A real Enduro bike is much less tiring in a Enduro, more pulling power low down and lower 1st. gear ratio. Usually less prone
to headshake due to frame geometry which means rider can relax a bit more.

Very true, but if you look at the Regional and National circuit, more and more riders prefer MX bikes, for their weight and snappy power.  A gearing or gearbox change to longer ratio helps, but not a neccessity.  Not every rider can/wants to do 160km/h on an Enduro track, so, MX max speed of 120km/h is more than enough.  Average enduro speed is 45km/h, off road average speed 65km/h.

At the Goudinie Funduro, my son (who built the track and obviously knows it like back of his hand) and the best rider, did it at an average speed of 66km/h.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 09:54:37 pm »
66kph is not enduro speeds.
National Offoad averages maybe.
 

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 10:05:33 pm »
66kph is not enduro speeds.
National Offoad averages maybe.


That is what I said......

Average enduro speed is 45km/h, off road average speed 65km/h.


I also said that the best rider here (former National rider) for the day, and the builder/owner/designer of the track did it at 66km/h, NOT EVERYBODY!
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 10:09:00 pm »
I might just add that they did it after the Funduro at their own leisure, not with the kids/novices/lady riders on the track.  The track was closed at that stage, before you get off your rocker again.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 06:37:38 am »
I fully agree with your speed estimates, and you are right about most guys using MX bikes, but I think that MX bikes are just more available
in especially the 2nd hand market.
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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 06:44:42 am »
What about maintenence?

Would a MX bike used for enduros and off road races need more maintenence than a enduro bike.
 

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 07:00:42 am »
I would not say so.
It usually done on hours with the same specifications.

 

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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 07:38:40 am »
Maintenance is not my worry, but rather which bike will make it easiest for someone with my lack of skill.

I rode 2 enduro bikes, a 450 and a 250 2T after the race, and it seems like the softer suspension and taller gears make for easier riding. My MX bike's suspension just felt too hard so I got arm pump and I had to change gears all the more often because of the close ratio box.

I think in the hands of a pro, an MX bike wins.

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2009, 07:44:43 am »
The top guys ride lighter MX bikes with modded suspension and different sprockets.

Watching the average guy ride up Aloes or the V on a MX bike is frustrating. Passing is hard in the tech stuff.
 

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 10:25:05 am »
Bought this yesterday, does not make sense at all as a enduro bike but it's red and gives me a silly grin :biggrin:  Need to service it, give some tlc and perhaps revalve fork, got it for goooood price, so I can spend a little on extras, pity that Hyde does not mak pipe protector for this bike.http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9379/cr250r1.jpg
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 06:44:53 pm »
Wow! Geluk met die aankoop, jammer oor die Honda!
Speel sommer, Macassar en Bapsfontein die naweek.
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Re: Which Enduro bike to buy??
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 08:01:03 pm »
Get an Enduro bike and laugh at the MX bikes as you pass them battling in the gnarly sections

MX bike gear ratio is wrong and suspension is to hard
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 08:33:24 pm »
Exactly! that, after all is why one is called an Enduro and the other a MX bike.
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