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Offline NIEKIE

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Environmental / Refuel mats
« on: January 26, 2010, 01:16:56 pm »
Dear fellow racing Dogs

Please inform me where do I get a refuel mat that conform to the necessary standards? Are there specific standards for the mats?

Apart from fire extingiusher & the mat, is there any other pit area necesities?

Your help will be appreciated

Niekie
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 01:21:13 pm »
Dear fellow racing Dogs

Please inform me where do I get a refuel mat that conform to the necessary standards? Are there specific standards for the mats?

Apart from fire extingiusher & the mat, is there any other pit area necesities?

Your help will be appreciated

Niekie
I will get the sizes tonight but it must be absorbent and impermeable.
In other words it must absorb a spill yet prevent it from getting into the soil.
Or you can go and look for it in the handbooks on MSA's website;
http://www.motorsport.co.za/msa/Publications.asp?ID=89
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 01:34:37 pm »
Thx Rob

Groot woorde daai man. Thx for explaining. But where do I get stuff that is all that in one. Who or what sells that?

N
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 02:10:46 pm »
Thx Rob

Groot woorde daai man. Thx for explaining. But where do I get stuff that is all that in one. Who or what sells that?

N
Will try and get that info too... we will be needing some for our MX club race on Feb for all the newbies.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 02:17:48 pm »
108 Monza Close Kyalami.

I heard MSA actually have some at the HQ.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 02:44:17 pm »
108 Monza Close Kyalami.

I heard MSA actually have some at the HQ.

That sounds good for a change. ::)
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 03:32:45 pm »
I have one of the MSA ones, and also recently qualified as an MSA environmental steward... the MSA supplied ones don't conform to their own regulations  ::)

Will check up later what the specs are...
Alcohol is essentially nature’s Leatt Brace – with it, you might not be able to move worth sh*t, but you can take a slam or two and be no worse for the wear.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 03:38:56 pm »
the MSA supplied ones don't conform to their own regulations  ::)
Hey, yer not supposed to say that! :imaposer: (Did the course last week myself.)
The whole mat issue needs to be clarified asap I believe to avoid issues that are going to come up if not addressed.
The best way past this would be to have the proper mat specs and stock of the mats at the beginning of the year and as competitors register include it in the "package" for the year. That way every competitor gets the right mat from day one and there can be no protests if a competitor does not use the mat as supplied for the year.
The other idea would be a throw away type like a nappy.... mmmm not a good idea... >:D :imaposer:
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 04:20:48 pm »

The other idea would be a throw away type like a nappy.... mmmm not a good idea... >:D :imaposer:

I was under the impression that it is a consumable - it gets contaminated to a point that it can't do it's job properly, then gets disposed of with other petrochemical waste...

All of which is pretty irrelevent to trials riders, we're too stingy to spill fuel in the first place  :D
Alcohol is essentially nature’s Leatt Brace – with it, you might not be able to move worth sh*t, but you can take a slam or two and be no worse for the wear.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 04:29:59 pm »

I was under the impression that it is a consumable - it gets contaminated to a point that it can't do it's job properly, then gets disposed of with other petrochemical waste...

All of which is pretty irrelevent to trials riders, we're too stingy to spill fuel in the first place  :D
and what about the soil microbes that love hydrocarbons? >:D

I also find it odd that one disposes of it... to me that contradicts the whole "green" issue?
I can understand washing it with the appropriate chemicals that break down the hydrocarbons and then re using.
Maar no ja, we will try to follow the code even if it makes no sense sometimes.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 08:10:29 am »
Ok thx for all the tech issues.

I take it that only at MSA? Or what other mat can I get for upcoming races

I am in Sasolburg
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 08:48:26 am »


I am in Sasolburg

Don't worry then, there is alread y so much crap in the soil there you can only make it a bit better by spilling fuel  :biggrin:

As long as it it absorbant on top (carpet?) and impermeable at the bottom, and fits under your bike you should be 100%
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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2010, 08:58:20 am »
Well, for one - solid groundsheets are NOT available anymore
You will have to have one made as all the 4x4 shops, Makro etc do not stock them

Then the issue of size - The average hiking groundsheet is too small and non-absorbant

I'm considering making a large (3m x 4.5m) canvas groundsheet and then getting a large dog blanket type from PEP stores as the absorbant part to put on top
I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure anymore

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2010, 11:18:14 am »
Ok then I've got it. Take polyurethane sheet (stuff they make dry bags and all these foldable basins and buckets (for 4x4 use) and sow carpet or blanket on top. Bob's ur uncle. Nothing will go in the ground.

Why ur mocking my my place Grim. If it was not for this place no racing because no fuel man :ricky:
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 09:24:06 am »
Minimum spec. for the mats are;

160cm x 100 cm
Absorption capacity 1L min
Thickness 5mm min.
As mentioned it should be a 2 layer set up, one layer to absorb and one to prevent soil contamination.

At the moment the guidelines are very hazy imho, we will see what happens at the first protest. >:D
I feel if this MUST be enforced then MSA should provide the mats as part of the license deal. That way it can be ensured that each competitor gets the right mat for the type of racing done. Putting the responsibility on the competitor and organizers is just passing the buck.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2010, 04:56:40 pm »
Maybe this will help?

http://forum.thinkbike.co.za/showthread.php?t=38307
Very informative! :thumleft:
I think Karting is making it compulsory to know the Karting regs before you can do Nationals? A good thing seeing how those okes can gooi a protest at the drop of a pebble. >:D :peepwall:
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2010, 05:07:12 pm »
RobC, its a miracle.

Its nearly February and there are zero COE's listed.
I stay near Monza Close and it has been a bit quiet recently.
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2010, 05:11:19 pm »
RobC, its a miracle.

Its nearly February and there are zero COE's listed.
I stay near Monza Close and it has been a bit quiet recently.

So the plan is working? The Appeals is full though. :mwink:
 

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Re: Environmental / Refuel mats
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 07:40:34 am »
Niekie

Die mat moet net die petrol kan opneem wanneer dit mors.

Myne is omtrent 1m x 2m.

Ek het al gesien, van die manne het ou mat ook gevat.

MSA is meer gefokus op die brandblisser en kyk maar net of jy wel n mat het.
Daai is nie warries nie

Jy kan saam ons ook Pit , geen probleem nie.

Chapperig