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Offline the_BOBNOB

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why the lying and withholding of information?
« on: February 02, 2010, 09:14:37 am »
why do people lie and withhold information about problems on their bikes ???

there has been numerous cases on the forum

one person will tell you everything thats good and bad about their bike - they will tell you if something is broken

but lots of dogs dont share the information wrt problems that they have

in the one thread they will proclaim that their specific bike is the best DS bike ever built and it is the perfect compromise - off-road, on-road, etc etc

but meanwhile back at the ranch their bike is in piece as it is broken down for the umpteenth time in the last couple of months ???

why is this - do they think if they keep the bad information off the forum they might be able to sell it one day to an unsuspecting dog ???

or are they just to proud to admit that their bike has problems ???

this is not a brand thing - this happens across all brands

i have found that bmw owners are more open about the problems - purely cause they believe that a bmw should never ever have any problems and when it gets a problem they throw all their toys out of the cot  :peepwall:
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2010, 09:15:33 am »
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 09:16:45 am »
reminds me , my tenere is the best bike ever made ...zero zip problems iwth it
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 09:18:00 am »


i have found that bmw owners are more open about the problems - purely cause they believe that a bmw should never ever have any problems and when it gets a problem they throw all their toys out of the cot  :peepwall:

100%

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 09:20:14 am »
We just did it because we wanted to see your reaction.  >:D

Sorry, couldn't help that.
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 09:26:28 am »
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Sorry Bob but this is a brand thing

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 09:31:56 am »
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons

not sure if people have to justify their decissions to themselves and they do this by not admitting to problems and stuff

bikes are mechanical machines - they all break - some sooner than others

but why you would not share that information i dont know ???

i'll be straight up and say that i have had the following problems on the dakar in the last 50000km

1. blown fuse due to the dealer getting water into the indicator switch (ie. dont use high pressure washers)
2. 3 yes 3 steering head bearings sets
3. 1 swing arm bearing set
4. 1 iffy HT coil

ps: i was lucky and all this was fixed under warranty
« Last Edit: February 02, 2010, 09:36:52 am by the_BOBNOB »
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 09:50:08 am »
KTM 950
18000km's
-Shot rearwheel bearings at 15000kms'
-Hard shifing (false neautrals) - changed the oil, problem gone.

Thats all. :thumleft:
Oh yes, and lost the front collar screw, have not replaced it yet.
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 09:53:05 am »
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons

not sure if people have to justify their decissions to themselves and they do this by not admitting to problems and stuff

bikes are mechanical machines - they all break - some sooner than others

but why you would not share that information i dont know ???

i'll be straight up and say that i have had the following problems on the dakar in the last 50000km

1. blown fuse due to the dealer getting water into the indicator switch (ie. dont use high pressure washers)
2. 3 yes 3 steering head bearings sets
3. 1 swing arm bearing set
4. 1 iffy HT coil

ps: i was lucky and all this was fixed under warranty

No need for me to chirp on this thread. Have had 4 990 KTM'S. I can honestly say that I have had the following problems.
Bike no 1: Apart from the dings in the front rim no problems. New owner reports back from time to time,no problems.
Bike no 2: Due to my own wrong doing I lost a battery on this bike. New owner had a small problem with the bike cutting out while riding, but that seems to be sorted out now.
Bike no 3: Lost a gearbox on this bike,but I think the bike was faulty from new. New box in and new owner happy.
Bike no 4: No problems up intil now,exept for a steering damper oil leak,but that is not part of the bike.
Normal wear and tear on all the bike eg: tyres,chains and sprockets.
Touch wood,but up until now I am happy with my choice of brand and the enjoyment they have given me.
Had 2 GS 1200's as well and on them no major problems.
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 09:57:47 am »
I've replaced:
steering head bearing
swing arm bearing
indicator switch
fork seals

All done under warranty.
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 10:01:44 am »
I think the KLR owners have been pretty straight forward. I read this thread, http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0 as well as the "Doohicky" thread and its pretty straight forward...KLR's have their qwirks and if you don't like that, don't buy one. I still love this bike. It's not fancy and never professes to be, but it gets me out there where bikes that cost three times the price go.
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 10:07:01 am »
I think the KLR owners have been pretty straight forward. I read this thread, http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0 as well as the "Doohicky" thread and its pretty straight forward...KLR's have their qwirks and if you don't like that, don't buy one. I still love this bike. It's not fancy and never professes to be, but it gets me out there where bikes that cost three times the price go.
However, compare "Apples with Apples" as they say.

i agree - the klr owners are generally very open and honest about the issues

even in the sales pitch when selling the bike they will list all the problems  :thumleft:

but i still dont know why people would not share information about their bikes ???

as i figured they will not post/reply on this thread ???
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 10:07:18 am »
Maybe some people see stuff as pure maintenance things. I've replaced a lot of stuff on my bike and wouldn't write on the forum about it - because you have to do maintenance on a bike.
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 10:12:20 am »
Maybe some people see stuff as pure maintenance things. I've replaced a lot of stuff on my bike and wouldn't write on the forum about it - because you have to do maintenance on a bike.

oil filters plugs chains sprockets tyres etc is maintenance

replacing bearings, fixing heads, gearboxes that pack up, etc - that aint maintenance  ???
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 10:15:16 am »
I still see replacing bearings, valve jobs, fork oil and seals, swingarm etc as routine maintenance.
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2010, 10:16:45 am »
I think the KLR owners have been pretty straight forward. I read this thread, http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22039.0 as well as the "Doohicky" thread and its pretty straight forward...KLR's have their qwirks and if you don't like that, don't buy one. I still love this bike. It's not fancy and never professes to be, but it gets me out there where bikes that cost three times the price go.
However, compare "Apples with Apples" as they say.

i agree - the klr owners are generally very open and honest about the issues

even in the sales pitch when selling the bike they will list all the problems  :thumleft:

but i still dont know why people would not share information about their bikes ???

as i figured they will not post/reply on this thread ???
See my post. Listed the few things that has been replaced over the last couple of years.
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2010, 10:18:54 am »
my KTM, done 25000, one failed fuel pump, one battery replcemant.
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2010, 10:19:29 am »
Now if someone had an off with the bike, a serious one like I had in Lesotho, and tried to hide it when selling, that would get my blood pressure up.
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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 10:20:29 am »
i figured this thread will just be a bunch of chirps  :-\

was hoping for some of the withhelders to grace us with some reasons


Bob, waht triggered this thread? I have not seen evidence of anyone withholding.
 

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Re: why the lying and withholding of information?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2010, 10:22:39 am »
Now if someone had an off with the bike, a serious one like I had in Lesotho, and tried to hide it when selling, that would get my blood pressure up.
With you on this 1. I always tell the buyer of all the dings and scratches if he cannot see the bike in person.