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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2010, 03:53:52 pm »
my 2 cents worth an others will have other opinions...

The DR is far better offroad and is the more reliable of the 2 ......

however the flip side of the coin is that if you are going to tour with the bike the KLR is probably the better option ...

So if touring going to be done then the klr

if not or seldom then the DR is the machine to have.... although the DR can be made tourable its going to add to the cost



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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2010, 05:14:49 pm »
my 2 cents worth an others will have other opinions...

The DR is far better offroad and is the more reliable of the 2 ......

however the flip side of the coin is that if you are going to tour with the bike the KLR is probably the better option ...

So if touring going to be done then the klr

if not or seldom then the DR is the machine to have.... although the DR can be made tourable its going to add to the cost



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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2010, 05:54:25 pm »
i disagree with this 'klr is better for touring' rubbish.
have any of you guys toured on both?
have any of you guys owned both?     
i have.

what makes the klr a better tourer?
wind protection? - klr windscreen dumped the air square in my face,  had to take it off - much better in the 'clean air' - no buffeting...   was planning on getting one for the dr,  but having done a few long rides,  unnecessary...
better seat? - on who's arse???   been there done that.   managed more km in a day on the dr than ever on the klr,  and it doesn't feel like you're manhandling a whale about.
tail rack? - haha ha ha   upgrade your klr subframe,  and i'll make a tail rack for the dr.
bash plate? - everyone replaces their klr bash plate,  and everyone makes/orders a dr bashplate.

both bikes are shit tourers,
only 1 is good off road.
 

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2010, 05:59:15 pm »
+ 100 for all the facts already been posted bout the DR. :thumleft:
Now....
You can get a screen=+-R1300
Get a luggage rack made=+-R500
Do a pooratech seat up-grade=R?
Skidplate=+-R500
Get a bigger tank=+-R3500
Total:about R5000-R6000

And you'll have your DR with touring capability.

Now its up to you,ask yourself this question=

Do you want the big "bulky" KLR or a lighter/clean/simple bike that does the same job? ;)
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2010, 07:04:31 pm »
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2010, 06:39:01 am »
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for 55k i would still rather buy a 2nd hand dakar  :peepwall:

you can get very nice clean dakars with low mileage for 55k to 60k

fuel injection
light on fuel
never burns oil
you can sit at 140 all day long if you want to
you can tour super long distance if you want
you can travel off-road to your hearts content
10000km service intervals

lets face it the difference in off-road-ability between the DR and the Dakar is so small - and if you want to do enduro buy a plastic bike

what is normal DS ???

baviaans, cederberg mountains, tankwa, die hel, namibia, karoo, etc

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2010, 06:43:22 am »
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for 55k i would still rather buy a 2nd hand dakar  :peepwall:

you can get very nice clean dakars with low mileage for 55k to 60k

fuel injection
light on fuel
never burns oil
you can sit at 140 all day long if you want to
you can tour super long distance if you want
you can travel off-road to your hearts content
10000km service intervals

lets face it the difference in off-road-ability between the DR and the Dakar is so small - and if you want to do enduro buy a plastic bike

what is normal DS ???

baviaans, cederberg mountains, tankwa, die hel, namibia, karoo, etc

 :peepwall:

+100.55

Second hand Dakar is a better biek than a new KLR or DR.  :thumleft:

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2010, 06:59:10 am »
for 55k Even if the word comes to an end i would still rather buy a 2nd hand dakar
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10000km service intervals
Have a close look at the DR's 6000km service: It's basically an oil change and a thorough pre ride check.
I even do the 12000km on a DR in half the time than the 10000km  sevice on a Dakar. Long term servicing cost of a DR650SE is considerably lower than servicing cost of the Dakar.
For a DR650 I don't have to buy steering head bearings, fork seals and inner fork tubes in abonnement. No water pump packing up, no R 1200+ fuel filter every 40 000km.

Re: fuel consumption: My figures were a long term average of 4.5l / 100km on the Dakar and 5l / 100km on the DR650SE. At current fuel prices of 8 Rand something and a expected lifespan of 100 000km the difference adds up to something just over 4000 Rand. A tad more than the price difference between a Dakar and a DR650SE ???
And I planted a couple of indigenous trees in my garden, for the bunny huggers and carbon cowboys :D

lets face it the difference in off-road-ability between the DR and the Dakar is so small

:laughing4:

Maybe you should test ride a DR650SE. Some day.

'til then: Dream on!
« Last Edit: April 08, 2010, 06:59:57 am by lecap »
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2010, 07:02:38 am »
why the 10000km service on a Dakar is oil change and airfilter?

Splitting hairs there Lecap.  :)

Overall as a D/S bike the Dakar is in a way different league than the DR, can't compare them.

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2010, 07:05:09 am »
And btw to get back to the OP:The only real deciding factor is if you need to transport a passenger for more than 20km at a time (=KLR) or not (=DR).

At the current price of R 55000 the DR650SE is a steal. With bashplate & IMS or Clarke tank it's the same price as a KLR without any extras.
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2010, 07:10:18 am »
a expected lifespan of 100 000km

is the expected lifespan of a dr only 100k ???

sorry lecap but each and everything you listed as a negative (except for steering head bearings) are still original on my bike

fork tubes
fork seals
water pump
fuel filter

all still 100% stock standard as it left the factory floor

if you want a dr650 go and buy one 2nd hand for 25k-30k no point in spending 55k cause you get the same bike as the 2nd hand one

 

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2010, 07:13:07 am »
And btw to get back to the OP:The only real deciding factor is if you need to transport a passenger for more than 20km at a time (=KLR) or not (=DR).

At the current price of R 55000 the DR650SE is a steal. With bashplate & IMS or Clarke tank it's the same price as a KLR without any extras.

the KLR don't need no extra's, already got a decent tank and bashplate. Only problem is the current KLR is butt-ugly and the DR not much of a looker itself, feels like a girls bike, small and petite, can't sit at 130km/h on tar if need be.

Aree with Bob, if you msut buy the DR or KLR secondhand, for their new prices it's harldy what you can call value for money, rahter buy second hand.



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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2010, 07:15:46 am »
Hey, this thread is about KLR vs DR, who invited the pro-Dakars? :peepwall:

At the old pricing I would have taken the KLR, at the new pricing I will take the DR.
 

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2010, 07:19:18 am »
Hey, this thread is about KLR vs DR, who invited the pro-Dakars? :peepwall:

At the old pricing I would have taken the KLR, at the new pricing I will take the DR.

sorry, just throwing a fellow dog a bone here.  :biggrin:

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2010, 07:20:30 am »
why the 10000km service on a Dakar is oil change and airfilter?

Splitting hairs there Lecap.  :)
Splitting shims ???
According to this:

you have to check the BMW's valve clearances every 10 000km  :deal:

Overall as a D/S bike the Dakar is in a way different league than the DR, can't compare them.

Can't agree more. That's why Bobnob's reply does not make sense ;D
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2010, 07:30:46 am »
Only a bit longer time, not as if it cost you mega bucks or something? Nee kom nou Lecap, splitting hairs here.  :biggrin:


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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2010, 07:51:04 am »
Remember that Ganjora did all his touring on an old shape KLR, the new ones are a LOT more comfortable for touring (better wind protection, more stable at speed, better luggage carrying ability, better seat).  Fine, you have to replace some bolts - big whoop.

On the latest KLRs they have sorted the Doohickey too, so no worries about that.

I must however admit my bias, and that i've never ridden a DR, so couldn't compare.
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2010, 07:58:03 am »
Daar val die kat weer van die blerrie bus af!  :-\


Listen guys - remember I had a Dakkie as well. LOVED it to bits, but was too small for me and wifey - therefore it had to go and was replaced with teh GSA.

However - I did mention a DAKAR to my mate... he was however very keen to buy a brand new bike.... and as such the long discussion we had, ended up with one of the two ... DR or KLR.

I'm sure that the Dakkie is a valid entrant, maybe as my other favourite bike's were always XT's - they could also be mentioned.... however for now, the two original contenders would just have to suffice!


LeCap........... been searching for long range tank prices (even second hand) - any ideas as to capacity or pricing? I see the Aqualine Fuel Tank is also an option... but a bit costly....... but is a 30litre tank  :mwink:

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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2010, 08:02:40 am »
Oh, and another thing - the KLR is priced at 55k, same as the DR.
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Re: DR650 vs KLR650 .... WD input please?
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2010, 08:16:27 am »
Oh, and another thing - the KLR is priced at 55k, same as the DR.

Pray tell where...? Both Cape Town dealers quoted R 59 995 yesterday!  ???
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