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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2010, 10:34:43 am »
Good on you Goose. If I was in the WC I would join you guys. :thumleft:
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2010, 10:56:50 am »
I would do this testing with full transparency towards BMW Motorrad and  have an official
representative involved in the whole process.


Goose, how would you react if your engine pops and you want to put in a warranty claim and they claim no liability because of the fact that your bike was on a dyno of a non-dealer?
If the sh*t hits the fan, manufacturers are grasping for any excuse.  :-\

Not that I'm saying  Wrench doesn't know his stuff...............on the contrary  ;)
I have the utmost respect for him.



How about even starting a thread on ADVrider...............get input from the USA market.


UPDATE!

Had a chat to Dave & workshop manager at Auto Atlantic this morning about the issue. They agreed that if there is indeed a problem... they must and will sort it out. I told him about the Dyno excercise and explained that we'd like to have a BMW representative present to oversee and ensure that it all above board. That is being discussed as we speak (type)!

My VIN number and km's were given to them this morning, Dave's sending the info to Germany today and will give us an answer on Friday this week as to what Germany said. Our 2 bikes will be going for a software upgrade and inhouse testing at BMW on 12th May - these results will then be handed to us and we'll be able to compare on the day of the 22nd.

With regard to Wrench - I also have the utmost respect for his expertise... and you can also look at the motive behind what this man's doing - the love of the bikes! Try any other Dyno companies and they will want to know what's in it for them..................

I have started a thread on the UKGSer.com's site and will do the same on ADVRider.com for feedback.

PLEASE NOTE that apparently there's another WD member on this forum in JHB that has the same DYNO machine as Wrench..... is there no way you guys can do a similar excercise in JHB..... the altitude difference would be great for alternative results.  :thumleft:


Oh by the way - Wrench confirmed that it's on for 22nd !!!  8)
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2010, 11:04:50 am »
If there is going to be a similar exercise at altitude in Gauteng,
I have a 2009 GS to add to the pool...  :-\

I'm in North-west. Gautengeleng not to difficult to reach. I'm also definitely in, if organized around here, since i also got this problem on my 09 GS.  :thumleft:
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2010, 11:21:53 am »
my 09 gsa never pinged .....or that i was aware of.... sold it at 30000km cause i bought new 2010 one got 6500km on this one and no ping ing......sounds like i may be lucky or inland got something to do with it??
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2010, 12:00:08 pm »
I stand corrected, but i'm sure wrench told me russel in PE also has the same machine as he has.maybe pe should join in the testing aswell?
 

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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2010, 12:06:27 pm »
gooose chat to wrench he has a nice variable resitor setup he is doing
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2010, 12:23:43 pm »
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Single spark or twin spark? Chatted to Mike from Ryder motorrad here in Durban about it as my 1150 single spark had the same issue and apparently there is a replacement coding plug that fixes this. Pitty I only found out about this plug now else I would still have my beast.

Sorry - 2001 GSA, single plug with Van Der Linde zorst.

Tried the 1100 map - did nothing.

Mine is worse on hot day and under load AND with lower grade octane.  Better with 95 (unleaded)

What about octane boosters - someone tried that yet?
 

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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 12:34:59 pm »
What about octane boosters - someone tried that yet?

I haven't tried it in a bike, but I've used it in my old car - the computer cannot retard the timing far enough. It definitely helps, I don't use it anymore though, I don't use the car that much for freeway driving, plus I don't know if there are other stuffs in there that's not good for it.
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 12:48:10 pm »
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2010, 01:32:48 pm »
gooose chat to wrench he has a nice variable resitor setup he is doing

 :thumleft:  I know about that - however it's a short-term solution, which will indeed affect the warranty.
The correct and ideal fix would be for BMW to simply allow the fuel/air mixture to be re-mapped. The engine has the capability.. it's JUST a blimmen software issue!  :o
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - Testing of bikes needed!!!
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2010, 01:51:12 pm »
will it be possible for you guys to get a GS911 and also check which software version is on each bike, apparently only a hand full of JHB BMW dealers are on 24hours link to BMWGA and update software when a bike gets serviced there. And apparently it's also possible they change Airflow ratio with these updates.

Might be possible why some ping and others not.


Michnus - this is what Iwan & I was told last week at BMW - that they could do a software update to the latest version, BUT that there would not be any fuel/air mixture changes as these cannot be changed..?
So we'll see - our bikes are booked in for the 11th May - then we will do a complete statement



Goose wat is die kilos op die fietse? Waar le die hitte as die fietse so maak?In watter rat maak hulle die meeste so 4 de ,5 de of 6de?Het jy al die airfilter laat vervang? Jammer oor al die vra maar ek dink ons kan begin om sekere goed uit  te skakel.

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as jy enigiets van vlieg weet... of iemand ken wat 'n loods is, vra maar oor die fuel/air issues... dis presies wat die probleem is teen 14.75:1 is dit ver te "lean"
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2010, 01:54:45 pm »
BRING your GS/GSA................. for DYNO testing!

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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2010, 02:01:20 pm »
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Single spark or twin spark? Chatted to Mike from Ryder motorrad here in Durban about it as my 1150 single spark had the same issue and apparently there is a replacement coding plug that fixes this. Pitty I only found out about this plug now else I would still have my beast.

Sorry - 2001 GSA, single plug with Van Der Linde zorst.

Tried the 1100 map - did nothing.

Mine is worse on hot day and under load AND with lower grade octane.  Better with 95 (unleaded)

What about octane boosters - someone tried that yet?

Yip didnt work  :-\
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - Testing of bikes needed!!!
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2010, 02:25:37 pm »
as jy enigiets van vlieg weet... of iemand ken wat 'n loods is, vra maar oor die fuel/air issues... dis presies wat die probleem is teen 14.75:1 is dit ver te "lean"

Vlieg jy met jou BMW, of wat het vlieg met ry op die aarde uit te waai  ;D
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2010, 02:35:03 pm »
Hi there,
2004 model 1200GS with 14000km's on the odo. I stay in Somerset-West. Only slight pinging sound in under hard accelaration in summer conditions. Can you please explain the procedure that you will be following with the test? I might be tied up with school sport activities but would definately be there if you are still busy testing later the day?
 

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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - Testing of bikes needed!!!
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2010, 02:50:42 pm »
as jy enigiets van vlieg weet... of iemand ken wat 'n loods is, vra maar oor die fuel/air issues... dis presies wat die probleem is teen 14.75:1 is dit ver te "lean"

Vlieg jy met jou BMW, of wat het vlieg met ry op die aarde uit te waai  ;D


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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2010, 03:13:01 pm »
I understand that your bike runs too lean, and that mixture ratio also affects aircraft, but I do hope that you are not going to fly that high with your bike soon  :ricky:
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2010, 04:30:47 pm »
Maybe somebody could get hold of Freez (also a forum member), he has a Dynojet dyno and may be able to do JHB testing.
 

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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2010, 04:54:06 pm »
Interesting - stole this post from the ADVrider.com site:

1200 GSA still pinging.

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hello all.
This is my second post on this subject, my brand new BMW 1200 GSA is still pinging.
Is has been 10 days in a BMW shop, they upgraded the software, and told my they couldent do anything else on the bike. They can hear the pinging very well riding the bike, but they cant adjust anything on the bike, not even idling, the only thing the dealer can adjust is syncronization of the throttle body.
They tell me I will have to wait on the Powercommander !
I am getting really P.,.,., with BMW, are they sacrificing
customers opinion and willingness to come back to BMW, on the inviromental bunfire.
Is pollution numbers more importent for BMW, than a good running engine ?
If I drill & turn the ignition plate, to retard the ignition
to 1 degree, then the knocking sensors will just tell the ignition to advance the ignition back, to inviromental hell status.
What can I do ???
So status are: I have a very, very expensive motorcycle
built by a manefacturer that has enormous experience
building engines, and it sounds worse than a 65 year old
Enfield from India.
Greetings to the enviroment and Bayerische Motorrad Werke, next time my bike is NOT gonna be a BMW
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Re: BMW R1200GS/GSA - Boxer Engine Issues - DYNO TESTING ARRANGED!!!
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2010, 05:25:04 pm »
I am watching this thread with INTENSE interest...... 8)
I hope for all of your sakes that BMW come to this party.....
I tried to get my 2010 GSA to ping today, no joy, just carried on with no fuss. Obviously under low rev/high load it will ping, but hard acceleration, constant 5000/5500 rpm....no problem at all.
Would be good to get a 2010 twincam version onto the dyno as well, to compare....
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