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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2012, 09:31:04 pm »
Could someone advise me on which series is do-able from the Northern Cape ito travelling distance. Gauteng is just to far with a bakkie for a week-end.  Is there something in North-west or the FS? Cape Town and Jhb are about 800 km from Upington
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 06:41:20 am »
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2013, 04:01:43 pm »
Im 47 and started enduros last year. A group of us trained for the year to do the Roof of Africa. Great year. CRF 230 was a good cheap starter bike. First race ever was The Winterberg as a club rider. Came in 7th. At the Roof I was time barred after mech problems 2/3 through day one. This year Im trying a KTM 200 for another attempt at the 2013 roof. Thrilling sport! Costs for last year were R75K which included the CRF 230, Gear, liscences, entries, fuel, maintenance, repairs and accom. Training was about 6 hrs a week in the saddle plus running
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 09:45:51 pm »
Bil the bong

Ek ry die csa races, kimberley, douglas, hopetown ens.
Www.csa.inext.co.za of csa offroad op fb.

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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2013, 05:06:13 pm »
A question for the racers, is a XR650R too big and heavy to race, i feel like it is like taking a tank to a knife fight with the 2t running around

What is a good bike to start on.. KDX?

Totally depends on what you are trying to race? Kalahari 1000 in a straight line through the desert, or the Baja 1000, XR650 is king. Go to a Natal WFO and you will be dead within the first lap. SCMSC event needs a 200cc 2 stroke, The roof needs a 450 four stroke, etc etc .

It also depends a lot on you. I'm 6ft 3in and weigh 130kgs, I can hammer a heavy bike like the XR650 through Lesothto all day. But I die in think sand with anything that doesn't have enough power to get my weight on top of it. I tried a 125cc 2 stroke in Nambia once. Gave up after 1 day and rode quads for the rest of the week. But a 75kg 5ft 4in person would be in hospital trying to haul an XR650 over the rocks up Ongeluks nek.

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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2013, 01:36:00 pm »
Thanks Rob

Hi Bill

What did you decide on the racing?

And does anyone know which club Losper and his family belong to?
 

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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2013, 02:19:53 pm »
Im 47 and started enduros last year. A group of us trained for the year to do the Roof of Africa. Great year. CRF 230 was a good cheap starter bike. First race ever was The Winterberg as a club rider. Came in 7th. At the Roof I was time barred after mech problems 2/3 through day one. This year Im trying a KTM 200 for another attempt at the 2013 roof. Thrilling sport! Costs for last year were R75K which included the CRF 230, Gear, liscences, entries, fuel, maintenance, repairs and accom. Training was about 6 hrs a week in the saddle plus running

Costs for 2013  ::)  New KTM200? ... + hospital after flipping it first day out  ??? + Physio? + Buying wife off  with overseas trip :biggrin:

Sorry just yanking your chain mate - I am pleased you are positive to do it again. Come ride Sat at J-Bay Funduro?
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2013, 02:26:50 pm »
But a 75kg 5ft 4in person would be in hospital trying to haul an XR650 over the rocks up Ongeluks nek.

Interested why you said that? I took my 800, loaded with stuffed ATG soft panniers, 50l roll bag, backpack and a bag of charcoal and some groceries up Ongeluks Nek without too much hassle
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2013, 02:28:44 pm »
To be fair, I did lose some of the goceries on the way up  :lol8:
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2013, 09:56:06 pm »
But a 75kg 5ft 4in person would be in hospital trying to haul an XR650 over the rocks up Ongeluks nek.

Interested why you said that? I took my 800, loaded with stuffed ATG soft panniers, 50l roll bag, backpack and a bag of charcoal and some groceries up Ongeluks Nek without too much hassle

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I never heard of Ongeluks neck. Does anyone have any photos?
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2013, 10:02:26 pm »
One of the more adventurous routes in/out of Lesotho  :3some: ... has a border post that I cannot imagine sees much traffic but our tax keeps going ....
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2013, 10:51:11 pm »
 Next off road event is next weekend in Robertson area if there is any dogs that want to come spectate or ride, it is a msa sanctioned event so you would need a license.
 

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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2013, 06:23:56 am »
But a 75kg 5ft 4in person would be in hospital trying to haul an XR650 over the rocks up Ongeluks nek.

Interested why you said that? I took my 800, loaded with stuffed ATG soft panniers, 50l roll bag, backpack and a bag of charcoal and some groceries up Ongeluks Nek without too much hassle

 :spitcoffee: Let me buy u a beer next time I'm in RSA.

I never heard of Ongeluks neck. Does anyone have any photos?

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Have a look from this post in our RR

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=108068.msg2112036#msg2112036
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Re: What you need to know to go Offroad/Enduro racing:
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2013, 04:15:18 am »
Thanks Dwerg.


To know about costs of racing locally and type of bike & gear, here is another thread you may want to read:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=44160.0

 
2 stroke (2T) Versus 4 stroke (4T)  bikes - Which one to go for?
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=125086.0


For 2T vs 4T for MX vs Enduro applications:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=46413.0








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Re: What you need to know to go Offroad/Enduro racing:
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2013, 12:26:54 pm »
This document might be of help - it is the required MSA self scrutnineering list for offroad & enduro which is explains what you need for racing.
For both Bikes & quads

SELF SCRUTINEERING FORM       
      
      
OFF ROAD MOTORCYCLE & QUAD SELF SCRUTINEERING CHECKLIST      
      
MOTORCYCLE   TICK   
NUMBERS      
SPONSORS DECALS      
BALL ENDED CLUTCH & BRAKE LEVERS      
KILL SWITCH      
SPOKES      
WHEEL BEARINGS      
TYRES & RIMS      
EXHAUST / SILENCER SECURE      
KICK START      
OPERATING BRAKES      
SELF CLOSING THROTTLE      
MUDGUARDS      
NO FUEL LEAKS      
FOLDING FOOTPEGS (not for quads)      
      
QUAD AS ABOVE BUT ALSO      
NERF BARS      
YELLOW LIGHT      
DEAD MAN KILL SWITCH      
      
      
SAFETY      
ONE LITRE DRINKING FLUID      
FIRST AID KIT      
SPACE BLANKET      
MEDICAL BOARD      
PENCIL & PAPER      
      
RIDING KIT      
HELMET      
GLOVES      
LONG SLEEVED JERSEY      
UPPER BODY ARMOUR      
MOTOCROSS TYPE PANTS      
MOTOCROSS TYPE BOOTS      
      
ENVIRONMENTAL & SAFETY   
FIRE EXTINGUISHER   2.5kg   
ENVIRONMENTAL MAT 500 x 500mm      
EXHAUST NOISE within permissible limits      
      
      
DECLARATION / UNDERTAKING OF COMPLIANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH GCR 93 (iii)      
      
I  _______________________________________________       (Rider) hereby      
give the above detailed undertaking of compliance of my motorcycle/quad with all the       
technical specifications for Off Road Motorcycles & Quads, current at the time of entry,       
and in addition the safety & environmental requirements, including those that refer to       
protective and safety apparell for the rider      
      
DATE___________________________SIGNATURE________________________________      
      
THIS FORM MUST BE PRESENTED AT DOCUMENTATION      
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Re: What you need to know to go Offroad/Enduro racing:
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2013, 07:22:21 pm »
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2013, 09:09:25 pm »
As i can remember, it is the event classification that determine the status.

meaning, you can actually compete with your regional license in WC, as long as it is a regional event.
I think that is the case, but Cindy will be able to confirm. I am too lazy to send her a mail. ::)

Yup. The type of license, eg regional does not restrict you from competing in other regions, but rather class. More detail:

The lowest class license is "Club". This does not mean that you can now only compete in events of your club, but rather that you can only enter the "Club Class" in events, in any region, and compete in that class. You can not enter the Regional or National Class with a club license.

Thereafter is the "Regional" license which is one class up. Yet again, it has nothing to do with which region you can compete in but rather that you can enter in the "Regional competition" class in any area/province/region. You can enter Club Class or regional Class with a Regional license, but not National class. You need to bear in mind that you may not compete in more than one class, in one region or competition format.

National class license should then be obvious. You need this license to compete in the National Competition.

Some more info on Enduro's:

For the Gautengers, these are the most popular formats to be considered and includes KZN races because 1) they are within reasonable travel distance but mostly 2) the riding terrain there is spectacular and organisation of events is top drawer.

Gauteng Harescramble Comp: Low level tech, faster pace, typical laps ~35km

Enduro World X-Country: A hybrid between full blown Enduro (WFO's) and the USA GNCC series. Above average degree of tech difficulty, but definitely rideable for the average weekend warrior. Fitness is a definite factor to consider, but you will still be able to complete a lap or 2 if you are not fit... you will know about it though. Laps are pretty short (12-20km) and you try and complete as many laps as you can within a set time limit. This format is quite spectator friendly and is growing rapidly... imho, by far the most popular Enduro format in Gauteng atm.

SCMSC harescramble series: More technical than the Gauteng harescramble series, but less technical than a WFO. Laps typically ~35km. Fitness is a factor, but an unfit weekend warrior should have no reason not to make a lap... you'll know that you did a lap though when you have that beer at the pits. Fantastic series this for the not so serious guy or someone looking to start with Enduro's.

KZN WFO Series: Full blown Enduro, above ave to high degree of tech difficulty, but mostly fitness is a massive factor. Laps are typically ~35km and it is technically 'in your face' almost all of the time. If you are unfit for one of these you may find yourself out there for the day on a single lap... that's if you get to make a lap at all. Club class goal is to complete 2 laps in the quickest time possible and regional class 3 laps. The top riders typically complete laps from 1h30 - 1h45 at ave speeds ~25kph. Mid pack riders ~2h00 - 2h30 per lap and as for the arse-end like me... well, these hurt big time and getting back to the pits before dark is the goal.

Off-road series: Very low to low degree of tech difficulty, long to very long laps, very fast pace. Did one, way too fast (wide open in plenty sections), come off here and you are in a world of pain.

Thanks for that great breakdown, Dutchie.
Where can one find more info on each class?
Race dates, venues etc? Especially the KZN WFO and Enduro World XC and SCMSC classes. Found one or two website but
thought to get it from you just to make sure. Thanks.
 

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Re: What you need to know to go Offroad/Enduro racing:
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2013, 09:56:24 pm »
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Re: What you need to know to go racing:
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2013, 12:40:09 pm »
A question for the racers, is a XR650R too big and heavy to race, i feel like it is like taking a tank to a knife fight with the 2t running around

What is a good bike to start on.. KDX?

The offroad guys are always looking for Roving Marshals. Cost you nothing, and you chase the field around the loop to assist stragglers.

Took the KLR through the loop at Malmesbury. Took me 3 hrs to do 30kms. Helped a few guys along the way though, but still. I would opt for a 200 something or other. Nothing heavier than 100kgs. Anders gaan jy afkak!  :imaposer:
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Re: What you need to know to go Offroad/Enduro racing:
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2013, 02:34:28 pm »
Hi there,
Thank you for all the posts, i have a question, hoping someone can help?
I would like to know where i need to search for up coming off road events? I always seem to see the flyers in the bike shop windows to late!
Is there somewhere you can search for rides? Wether its a fun ride or a sanctioned event?
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