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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2010, 05:19:47 pm »
Thanks for the excellent write up.

Do you know anything about the service intervals and estimated cost?




Service interval is 10000km's - not sure of that cost though. Warranty is two years, unlimited mileage.
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #101 on: May 31, 2010, 07:39:37 pm »
Good write up mate

Will first have to ride one to compare with the GSA....................dunno though seems slightly underpowered at 82 Horsepower compared to the KTM 950/990 franchise with 100+ horses.

Methinks will stick with what i have!

Something wrong with your info here. S Ten has 80.9 KW @7250rpm - this equates to 110HP!! Somewhat stronger than the orange franchise methinks.

The 2009/10 KTM 990 Adventure (not R) has 87 kw. Not sure how many horses that equates to but more than the ST.  >:D
Then there is the power to weight ratio...  :pot:

No seriously, thanks MJ for a great report, looks like another capable product has entered this market and maybe KTM and BMW will sit up and take notice of that pricing...  :deal:
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #102 on: May 31, 2010, 08:15:18 pm »
I went for a ride on a Super Ten this afternoon courtesy of Linex in Randburg. Just a 20km stint on tar, no time for dirt.

Bike is amazingly nimble and I could not feel any noticeable difference in power or weight to my GS. Suspension slightly harder than the GS ,but that was probably more the setup than the bike in general.

I am rather short and found the bike to be slightly high, but I ride my GS with a lowered seat and I understand that Yamaha have a lower seat available. This should make it similar in height to my GS.

The power settings would be wasted on me as I would have it in "sport" all the time. Responds nicely .

Only things that need upgrade imho are the screen, way too little protection(even for a shortie like me) and it should come standard with upper crash bars. One drop on the radiator side and you will be walking home.

Overall a lovely machine and so similar to my GS in so many ways that it would probably not matter which one I like as I like both Brands. Good value for money and will make BMW sit up and take notice. >:D :biggrin:

PS. Obviously not targeted at the KTM market as it is too civilised.  ;)
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #103 on: May 31, 2010, 09:19:22 pm »
Congratulations to the Wilddogs for choosing the right man for the job. Not because MJ gave the ST a favourable review, I knew that he would have to even before he left, but for the easy-read, informative feedback he gave us.
Simon Fourie, I know you are watching us, please let MJ do all your testing!?
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #104 on: May 31, 2010, 09:30:38 pm »
Congratulations to the Wilddogs for choosing the right man for the job. Not because MJ gave the ST a favourable review, I knew that he would have to even before he left, but for the easy-read, informative feedback he gave us.
Simon Fourie, I know you are watching us, please let MJ do all your testing!?

doubt that very much, having read all his RR and general contributions can say that he will call it as it is!

If only there was a magazine that catered for DS, maybe THAT is what Simon should be looking at?!
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #105 on: May 31, 2010, 09:36:56 pm »
I am rather short and found the bike to be slightly high, but I ride my GS with a lowered seat and I understand that Yamaha have a lower seat available. This should make it similar in height to my GS.

You could change the seat yourself, if it was not in the lower position already. 1 minute job  :thumleft:

Only things that need upgrade imho are the screen, way too little protection(even for a shortie like me) and it should come standard with upper crash bars. One drop on the radiator side and you will be walking home.

The screen can be adjusted (manually with a screwdriver if I'm not mistaken), was it in the lower or upper position?
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #106 on: May 31, 2010, 09:40:53 pm »
Vosperd, not saying that MJ would be biased, just that I grew up with motorcycles and knew that Yamaha would always get it right. Like I said on this forum some time ago, Yamaha would produce an ABS system to go through many more cycles per second than BMW's ABS, thus making the Yamaha
system work on gravel as well. And like I've said on this forum before;someday you'll own a Yamaha.
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #107 on: May 31, 2010, 09:45:27 pm »
2 Stroke Dan, with you now... :thumleft:

Agreed on the yammies, the Japs sure know what they are doing (Land Cruisers case in point).. Owned a Yammie already (350 Banshee, still the king of the dunes, just a pity theu never upgraded that frame and suspension :'( )
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #108 on: May 31, 2010, 09:53:44 pm »
Good write up mate

Will first have to ride one to compare with the GSA....................dunno though seems slightly underpowered at 82 Horsepower compared to the KTM 950/990 franchise with 100+ horses.

Methinks will stick with what i have!

Something wrong with your info here. S Ten has 80.9 KW @7250rpm - this equates to 110HP!! Somewhat stronger than the orange franchise methinks.

The 2009/10 KTM 990 Adventure (not R) has 87 kw. Not sure how many horses that equates to but more than the ST.  >:D
Then there is the power to weight ratio...  :pot:

No seriously, thanks MJ for a great report, looks like another capable product has entered this market and maybe KTM and BMW will sit up and take notice of that pricing...  :deal:

2010 KTM 990 - 84KW - 122HP.

The tenere is faster than the KTM (but not on dirt  :peepwall:). The KTM is much faster out of the blocks and by the time the ST is on full speed the KTM already disappeared in the horison. :ricky:

not that speed maters, its all about position and repetition....

Jokes aside, The Yammie is great bike for a great price, the q is, do you prefer Oriental or European....
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #109 on: May 31, 2010, 09:58:40 pm »
A few observations here:
It has been said the radiator is vulnerable, one small 'off' and you'll be walking...IMO the radiator is set quite far back, close to the bike, it would take a substantial fall to cause damage, crashbars would reduce this risk substantially. The medic came short quite hard on the right side of his ST, no problem, hardly a scratch on the plastics, even in standard format there is a protector at the base of the plastics that does quite a good job.

Seat height, there was quite a short journo at my 2 day stint, the spacer was removed for him, he had no problem.

Screen height, my screen was at the higher position, I'm 193cm tall, it worked for me,the wind hit my helmet just above the peak, I took my wife for a ride as pillion, she was also happy with the wind protection. There is also a larger screen available, as well as those little 'flips' ala GSA.

ST horsepower compared to KTM horsepower...the ST was never designed to go up against the KTM, totally different power deliveries, shaft power losses against chain drive losses...etc etc.
Why go after a market share as small as the KTM 990?

Pricing...I certainly hope the other brands sit up and take notice, the ST is an absolute bargain at that price.....I think even with all the optional equipment fitted, and there is quite a lot, the ST will still come in under the price of a standard comparitive alternative brand.

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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #110 on: May 31, 2010, 09:58:52 pm »
2 Stroke Dan, with you now... :thumleft:

Agreed on the yammies, the Japs sure know what they are doing (Land Cruisers case in point).. Owned a Yammie already (350 Banshee, still the king of the dunes, just a pity theu never upgraded that frame and suspension :'( )

You should see the 2010 banshees sold here in the UAE, only place in the world they are still sold. Mods aplenty, saw one this weekend that puts out 125HP madness.

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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #111 on: June 01, 2010, 05:35:39 am »
. . . . 
Why go after a market share as small as the KTM 990?
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Good point. and ouch - that hurt !!  ;D
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #112 on: June 01, 2010, 07:21:53 am »
Exclusive boet - thats the correct term! :biggrin:
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #113 on: June 01, 2010, 07:29:48 am »
. . . . 
Why go after a market share as small as the KTM 990?
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Good point. and ouch - that hurt !!  ;D

We all know the 1200GS is the biggest seller in the large DS segment, and as Edgy says, KTM is just more 'exclusive'. 8) ;D

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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #114 on: June 01, 2010, 10:37:11 am »
I have spoken to a couple of the lucky few who were able to do the Swazi trip with Yamaha on the New ST1200 and all seem to be highly impressed. Great report!!!!

Now i have just unpacked another ST1200 and it is available @ R139000incl. Just give me a call and you to can be a proud owner of this new beast!

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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #115 on: June 01, 2010, 11:25:21 am »
Wats die naaste en maklikste bank om te roof daar by die Mall???? Dalk kan ek sommer daai ST as n getawaybike gebruik..... ::)
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #116 on: June 01, 2010, 11:43:59 am »
Very nice - thats what i call a decent bike rapport. Well done. Everything i wondered about the Tenere was answered.
 

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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #117 on: June 01, 2010, 12:14:56 pm »
MJ thanks for the report. I know it was approached from the off road angle and I know I am going to get it on this forum for asking this, but how is it on tar?
We have to accept that a large portion of GS owners do very little if any off road riding, so can you chase sportbikes down Longtom pass with it, like you can do with the GS?
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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2010, 12:41:56 pm »
I was laid back waiting for a mention from all the wise WDs. Some comparing it with a Bima, KTM even a suzuki got a mention :imaposer:. Well it is a ST  ;D.  What is important though is that all of you, one way or the other, said all I had said all along.

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Re: Is the Super Ténéré really Super?
« Reply #119 on: June 01, 2010, 12:45:45 pm »
Guys in the cape,there's one at Droomers yamaha only till friday,if you

wanna go have a look.
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