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2 Strokes - What to look for?
« on: July 08, 2010, 01:19:20 pm »
I'm looking for a nice play bike for the dunes and mx type tracks, so I'm looking for some info on big 2 strokes:

What bikes should I stay away from?

What size engine do I go for?   (I was thinking at least 450, but they seem quite scarce...)

What should I look out for on a 2T bike?

What is a good price for a reasonably looked after 2T?

How many hours is "a lot"?

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 01:44:16 pm »
whats your budget.........?

i have a 300 in great condition with extras, send me a pm if keen.
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 01:48:17 pm »

I was thinking at least 450, but they seem quite scarce...


I'm a big boy, about 6'2, 95kg. Size matters, but I'll have a look.

Price? Mmmm, cheaper is better. Not looking to spend more than R20k, this is purely a toy and I mustn't be scared to jump and wipe with this thing.

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 01:53:42 pm »
300 pulls like a 450 of yesteryear (2 strokes)
i am 6.3 (but a tad lighter)  ;)

But R20k to cheap for my offering.........
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 01:58:44 pm »
300 pulls like a 450 of yesteryear (2 strokes)
i am 6.3 (but a tad lighter)  ;)

But R20k to cheap for my offering.........

You saying I'm fat?  :patch:     :ricky:

Like I said, not wanting to race, so I don't need a top notch machine. Really just toy. Therefore the small budget.  

And that's why I need the :help:

How much did you want for yours, just btw?
« Last Edit: July 08, 2010, 02:02:45 pm by Archangel »
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 02:03:30 pm »
Ask same question on www.e-dirt.co.za ,will get good info and some bikes on offer over there
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 02:11:34 pm »
Not FAT, you said a "big boy" that must weigh 10 kilos or so.......................

Bike is R30k less R1000 as there are 3 spokes that require replacemant.

i just did a pm response to someone else, here is the gist of my sales speech

Send me an E-mail address I can send you pics.

Bike has:

·         2 loose brand new tyres (Metzelers)

·         Current good front and back tyres fitted

·         New chain and sprockets

·         Serviced forks and shock

·         Steering dampener fitted

·         Spare air filter, lighting kit and trip computer (not fitted)

·         Redid the piston/rings/barrel about 2 and a bit years ago, but only raced it once since (retired due to injury) used socially since then but basically has stood for over a year now.

·         Did a service recently as the bike was basically “sold”, but the purchaser cancelled the deal due to family misfortune, we had settled on R29 000 as the only outstanding repair is 3 broken spokes on rear rim and the gearbox filler plug is cross threaded. The hydraulic clutch slave, was bush repaired with some Pratley putty, never gave a problem so I left it.

·         Most probably will need new brake pads in due course.

·         Bike is in Sun valley (Fish Hoek area)

 

These 300’s are a great compromise between top end power and low revs grunt.
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 02:13:55 pm »
Jys baie welkom om my bike te test ride, power 2 weight is hy beter as even jou 950.
Se net waneer jy wil gaan, dis goed om eers te test ride, baie mense kom nie oor die weg met die 2t's nie
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 02:25:25 pm »
I weigh close to 100kg, and have a pair of 200 KDX's. They have PLENTY of grunt, are cheap and bullet proof. Perfect for dunes and bush riding. You can normally pick them up between 20k-30k
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 02:25:59 pm »
Jys baie welkom om my bike te test ride, power 2 weight is hy beter as even jou 950.
Se net waneer jy wil gaan, dis goed om eers te test ride, baie mense kom nie oor die weg met die 2t's nie

Miskien moet ek dit doen. My volgende 2 naweke is klaar vol, maar ek mag dalk verder in die toekoms op jou knoppie druk, Et.

Kyk, ek weet as ek n 400-500 cc 4 stroke gaan koop, gaan ek hom sat ry. Ek soek n bike wat ek kan mutilate en dit oorleef, of met minimum koste kan onderhou.

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 02:28:29 pm »
Cheapste as iets verkeerd gaan - 2t
Cheapste spares - yamaha
So daar het jy dit, kry vir jou n yz250
 

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 03:26:32 pm »
What size engine do I go for?   (I was thinking at least 450, but they seem quite scarce...)


You would be surprised at how easily a 200cc tosses a 100kg oke off. A 450+ (from the last 15 years such as KX500, CR500 etc) will only ever be used properly by a special kind of idiot with more experience than most of us together...and he is going to break bones! It is really nice and cool to have but is totally overkill and in most peoples hands will only be use half-arsed.

A 250 motorcross bike or the KTM 300-WR250 like bikes with their much kinder gearboxes are more than enough for my 6'3" 105kg @ss and certainly sees to a lot of excitement. You might get used to a 200cc very quickly if you do long fast stretches quite often, BUT, that being said, a KDX200 is about the most affordable, bullet proof fun you will find and it wont disappoint.

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 03:39:12 pm »
Cheapste as iets verkeerd gaan - 2t
Cheapste spares - Kawasaki
So daar het jy dit, kry vir jou n yz250

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2010, 03:40:57 pm »
I beg to differ there..and where are any kawa dealers? ::)
 

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2010, 03:43:32 pm »
Archangel

Trust me, the big two strokes are only in their element in desert races or in the hands of big, strong, really proficient riders. Test ride a CR 500 or KX 500 and see what I mean.

A 250 2T is more than sufficient. The 300's do'nt really have more top-end than a 250, they just fill in more at the bottom end.

My initial reaction when I read your original post was "Is jy mal?" :biggrin:

With MX bikes weight is the key. The lighter, the better. Anything from a 200 up has enough power for most playriding, you'll just handle the whoops (and believe me, down here in the Western Cape you'll encounter plenty of those) better with a lighter bike.

Suspension, handling and reliability are the main criteria, I would of thought.

IMHO you cannot go wrong with the blue bikes!

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PS. Spending your bonus very quickly, are'nt you? Keep some to repair the 950 when it breaks ;)

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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2010, 03:49:29 pm »

PS. Spending your bonus very quickly, are'nt you? Keep some to repair the 950 when it breaks ;)


Yes, Boss. Was hoping that if I bought a 2T, I can take out my fury on that little bugger and ride the 950 like a civilized person, so it should last longer  :thumleft:

My own money saving justification process.   :ricky:
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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2010, 04:03:05 pm »
I beg to differ there..and where are any kawa dealers? ::)

Why...How much did Mike Hopkins charge you to fix your Kawa?

He also did my IT for nearly 30% less than the dealer.
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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2010, 04:20:46 pm »
Deesdae se 450's is 4-strokes en kompeteer saam met 250 strokers.

KDX 200 is n goeie alrounder, cheap en tough. Kawasaki's (KX en KDX) is meer vollop, maar 2de handse dirtbikes is luck of the draw, vra maar vir my. Die laaste een wat ek 2de hands gekoop het het net 2 maande gehou >:( Die een oomblik loop hy dat hy kak, die volgende oomblik sleep die agterwiel :'(

Gaan vir die een met die meeste extras, jy gaan een of ander tyd die motor moet overhaul. Ure beteken niks IMO, jy sal sien as n bike deur die gat getrek was.

MX bikes is lekker vir sand agv die harde suspensions, maar kak oor groot klippe en baie technical terein.

KTM300 as jy dit kan bekostig :thumleft:
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Re: 2 Strokes - What to look for?
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2010, 07:14:26 pm »
Archangel, both Stroke-her and Woestersous bought Honda CR250's for good prices. The YZ's are best in longgevity[Yamaha] and cheapest and easily available spares, but more expensive in 2nd hand market.[like a Toyota]
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