HP2 / 950SE

[Oros]

Not worried dude
The only thing that I worry about is if in 20 years will I still be able to stirr up an erection?

[Dewie]

but it will almost certainly stirr up some sort of emotion.

I agree - just like chopper bicycles and cassette players  

s'true  

[tau]

 

LOL

KTM riders I love for their absolute believe in the Katoom. I just blew mine so many times it will never be the same...

Something interesting for me when riding the bikes back to back on rocky 2 spoor tracks in the Cederberg: The Hp likes it when the rider stands and the SE like a seated rider beter. The Se is a wheely machine and the HP a corner demon. High speed is irrelavent, cause the 990 and adv WILL BLOW AWAY BOTH SCOOTERS.

The boxer pods took me a while to get used to, however I must say it forces you to stand and do proper weight shifting. The SE is a Headshaker when the roads get corrugated.

Both have STUPID fuel tanks however. I will go ride with my friend and we will do a shootout proper.......BTW it is Attie Hofmeyer who is a previous SA mx champ.

[ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS]

Attie loves his SE and always on normal DS tyres. No aggressive type tyres for him.
If I had 10% of his skill Id be  happy man.

[Joyride]

Some people buy a bike because of tests like this quoted shamelesly from ADVrider.

“The local mag tested the 1200ADV vs 990KTM vs the HP2 vs the 950 SE/R

Guess which won the lot?

The SE! ALthough they didnt rate the 990 very well

They tested the bikes at the BMW training facility in South Africa, and had the following tests:

1) Downhill stopping and up hills (steep grade stop - but the 990 was the worst here because it had scorps on vs knobs for everything else, a stupid oversight when trying to roughly compare apples with sort of apples)

2) Hole jumping/ obstacles at low speed (to simulate cross country tracking and the need to get over a sudden suprise)

3) Acceleration, traction

4) A nice oval track with High speed dirt riding including corrugations

5) Sand riding

6) Road comfort

7) Low speed handling between cones (manouevreability sp!!!)

The big jumps


They did their very best - its evident - in trying to compare the bikes, and the scores were like this (it included things like fun factor, pillion comfort, suspension, handling, rider comfort, balance, stability, engine braking, throttle response, turning circle, brakes, price, value for money, overall efficiency, traction, response, lightness of front end)

ADVGS 164
990 KTM 156
HP2 167
SE/R 176

TopBike, South Africa bike test”

Others buy with their hearts or because of inproper influence by friends and family.

Why the HP2 seems to be more of a collectors item?

Who cares?

 I bought and ride my 950SE because…………

KTM 950 Super Enduro R – The Cure for Common Sense

[Dewie]

i actually have that test on pdf.

the SE won - yes, and it is by all probability the better bike.

it is very interesting to see the remarks of both the hp2 / SE chaps.

[clem]

I think they are both very unique bikes.
Hard to compare them to anything else.
I prefer my SE to the 990Adv I had any day of the week.
Regarding the HP2....I had a test on one and I think its a great bike.
I chose the SE only because it felt better offroad (to me) and was more fun to ride on road.
If I could not get another SE I would buy a HP2 the same day!

[peter stuyvesant]

I am in the fortunate position that i have 8 bikes in my garage (an assortment of complete crap to interesting) and in all honesty, if i could only have one bike it would probably be a std 1200gs.

[Kaboef]

I am in the fortunate position that i have 8 bikes in my garage (an assortment of complete crap to interesting) and in all honesty, if i could only have one bike it would probably be a std 1200gs.

Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me get a beer and some popcorn and get a comfortable seat. This is going to get interesting..

 

 

[navigator]

I would like to ride an HP2 with proper rear suspension - until then I can only go with what I experienced (as intermediate rider at best!) and that was that the HP was terrible on dirt - fast or slow.

The bike is aesthetically beautiful to look at - the HP2 Motard even more so!  

It is well put together and I am sure i can get used to the clunking of the clutch during slow riding and the (still present) pogo-ing when accelerating sharply for short bursts.

The best thing about it seems to be (as Jacko so succinctly put it) its tubeless wheels - well Ok then. I might add the uber advantage of all BM's - the service network. Lets face it - it is excellent!

I would say without fear of contrapoint that the network is the real reason why BM is selling so many (admittedly good) bikes - especially in SA is the NETWORK. Just compare other bike only dealerships of other makes - no contest. Also take note of the longevity of BM only (stand alone dealerships) - or then the lack of it.

But enough of the Nazi bike!

In comparison:

The SE is like those Sc-Fi movies where they somehow link a a whole mechanical system (especially a throttle with the throttle reasons of a squirrel on coke and link it to a frothingly rabid two cylinder motor that sounds like a large calibre Gatling gun at point blank range, directly into the synapses of your brain and let the whole system rev like a old RX7 with polished ports..... yes that is about how it is - no - sorry , thats EXACTLY how it is!

And that my Tjompa makes having to change a tjoep and having dirty hands because of tjain loep absolutely worth while!

Daar het jy dit nou Dewie - use it - dont use it

[Hondsekierie]

Dewie vra nie julle SE manne se bike se specs nie, FFS.  Dink sy vraag in kort is hoekom ons HP manne n 150bls thread kan 'run' en daar glad nie so iets is onder die SE manne?

Die HP2 thread is nie net dedicated aan farkles (nie my favourite woord SBTW) maar n great plek waar almal gedagtes uitruil en die occasional kak praat.  Daar is great komraderie

[Dewie]

Dewie vra nie julle SE manne se bike se specs nie, FFS.  Dink sy vraag in kort is hoekom ons HP manne n 150bls thread kan 'run' en daar glad nie so iets is onder die SE manne?

Die HP2 thread is nie net dedicated aan farkles (nie my favourite woord SBTW) maar n great plek waar almal gedagtes uitruil en die occasional kak praat.  Daar is great komraderie

HSK jy vat die woorde so uit my mond 

[navigator]

O - sorrie..........jammer....sallie weer nie........

Party mense vestig 'n 150bls fred oor hul farklefietsies en ander ouens wurg hul kalkoen - sęlle ding oppie einde vannie dag!

[Joyride]

Die SE manne praat sommer bietjie kak langs die pad terwyl hulle pap wiele regmaak

[Hondsekierie]

O - sorrie..........jammer....sallie weer nie........

Party mense vestig 'n 150bls fred oor hul farklefietsies en ander ouens wurg hul kalkoen - sęlle ding oppie einde vannie dag!

Hou nogal van die verkleinwoord'jie'

[laurika]

O - sorrie..........jammer....sallie weer nie........

Party mense vestig 'n 150bls fred oor hul farklefietsies en ander ouens wurg hul kalkoen - sęlle ding oppie einde vannie dag!

Hou nogal van die verkleinwoord'jie'

[2 Stroke Dan]

Hier lees ek nou wragtig die understatement van die laaste 51 millennia; "over the years BMW has not been perceived by the general public as race bikes"
Fok my Semmie, wie kon dit raai? Die enigste race wat BM van weet word saam met kerrie bedien.

[Katoom]

never riden the HP2, but from what I've read, it must be awsome. a Beamer with proper suspention and a 21" wheel. Apparently some guys change the rear air suspention to conventional Ohlins.

Have ridden the SE and love it! Handles well, and great power delivery.

As to which one will become a legend......it will be the BMW. The reasons for that, however, are debatable.

[Hondsekierie]

Hier lees ek nou wragtig die understatement van die laaste 51 millennia; "over the years BMW has not been perceived by the general public as race bikes"
Fok my Semmie, wie kon dit raai? Die enigste race wat BM van weet word saam met kerrie bedien.

En nou neem ek aan voel jy beter?  n Ou moet maar sulke goed uit die gestel kry

NS:  Welkom terug, befokte trip wat julle gedoen het!

[2 Stroke Dan]

Well, whatever stirs your sole of the SE or the HP2, I wish that Yamaha will take a jacked-up 1200twin STen engine and build it into a jacked-up YZ450 chassis. Call it the OW01 the 2nd. Google OW01.