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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2011, 06:21:11 pm »
was also on those roads with the 1200GS, actualy had a lot of fun, if you ride just fast enough that mud is slung of the wheel before it becomes a problem. :D

Believe me, that mud clay was like thick glue. It was even back-breaking work to just scrape it out. No matter how fast you can ride in that stuff, it will never be slung off.

Was there on sunday, it was very muddy, but never clog up the 1200 front end, only a 1150 and 650 GS had problems, definatly put it down to speed, if you too slow the wheel just wont fling the mud
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2011, 06:34:37 pm »
Seriously guys, all it would take - on the KTM as well - is to mount the mudguard 20mm higher up.
How hard could that have been for the "injineers" to figure out!

KTM did learn, the 950 had a mudguard close to the front wheel, on the 990 it was lifted a bit... 8)

Correct! But you can't lift it more - or the top of the mudguard will hit the lower triple clamp on full compression...

So you just ride faster.... 8) :biggrin:
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2011, 07:13:41 pm »
Just saw that some mud got stuck under the front fender of a BMW, have you guys considered that it could be a BMW design flaw?........





















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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2011, 07:23:10 pm »
was also on those roads with the 1200GS, actualy had a lot of fun, if you ride just fast enough that mud is slung of the wheel before it becomes a problem. :D

Believe me, that mud clay was like thick glue. It was even back-breaking work to just scrape it out. No matter how fast you can ride in that stuff, it will never be slung off.

Was there on sunday, it was very muddy, but never clog up the 1200 front end, only a 1150 and 650 GS had problems, definatly put it down to speed, if you too slow the wheel just wont fling the mud

Yep, keep it rotating, keep the power on (not too much) and you can get through, but I have seen 650's and TA's 990's 1200's 1150's most every thing clog on those roads yet others carry on..... technique can be an issue, if you see waterholes between mudholes, maybe take the water, it may wash out just enough to keep you rolling for the next one, but I think continuous momentum roll it through do not slow keeps the build up down 8)  
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2011, 07:42:46 pm »
Het nou die dag met my GS deur n diep dam probeer ry. Kon nie deur kom nie. Is dit ook n design flaw? Vra maar net.


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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2011, 08:02:37 pm »
Het nou die dag met my GS deur n diep dam probeer ry. Kon nie deur kom nie. Is dit ook n design flaw? Vra maar net.


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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2011, 08:15:30 pm »
Fork Grrrr , wat het daai ou gemaak ?
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2011, 08:17:42 pm »
Fork Grrrr , wat het daai ou gemaak ?

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2011, 08:25:49 pm »
This past weekend I rode the Canal route with buddy Izak when the black turf clay packed so tightly between the front wheel and the mudguard of my GSA that the wheel would'nt turn at all. I almost ploughed a new canal. The only solution was to remove the clay with a stick (after every fall) but this was only good for a few metres before it packed up again.

Upon closer inspection, we found there was a ridge under the mud-guard where it connects to the fork-assembly. This acted as a very effective clay-collecter. Izak's F800GS did not pack up once, although his mud-guard has only a fraction more space between the plastic and the wheel.

I say this is a major design flaw from BMW.


That is way the dakar has no front mudgaurd.The GSA must rather stick to the city riding trouh potholes and over speedhumbs.That is their thing.LOL
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2011, 08:28:13 pm »
Yous okes got it all wrong man! Those close-to-the-wheel "mudgaurds" are actually Designer POOPER SKOOPERS, so that yous durrent get k@k on yuor visors man! :pot:
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2011, 09:58:35 pm »
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2011, 08:10:57 am »
Lyk my ek moet net vir die GS en myself n snorkel kry. Dan is ons uitgesort.
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2011, 08:24:44 am »
The 1200 has another factor making it even worse, the smaller wheel flings that slight bit less mud too.
Speed and tyre design are factors too.

I have almost burnt out a clutch of a smaller 200 when the rear wheel started clogging. That stuff around Brits is hectic.
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2011, 08:41:05 am »
Why they put those low front mud guards on an "adventure" bike, I have no idea.

I would say something that makes the bike un-rideable in terrain that the machine was "meant" for is a pretty stupid idea - wouldn't you?  After all an "adventure" bike shouldn't seize up solid in mud should it?

KTM's also have them with the same results.  

Surely somebody at the various OEM's should wake up and stop including them in the design?

Or this another one of the "fashion" things were a disfunctional design persists because somebody thinks it looks nice?

Strange that, many of the Dakar bikes did day one with high guard (mud) back to low guard next day for stability in the drier terrain at speed, maybe they know something 8)

I'm not convinced that it has any impact whatsoever on the stability. I have a high-mount front mudguard on my bike and there is no problem with high speed stability. They might know something else but I rekon it has nothing to do with stability.  :-\
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2011, 09:21:32 am »
Seriously guys, all it would take - on the KTM as well - is to mount the mudguard 20mm higher up.
How hard could that have been for the "injineers" to figure out!

+1

Everyone is up in arms about the words 'design flaw' and 'bmw' ....and no one comments on the fact that the 800GS with the higher guard did not have the same problem.

Obviously the 800GS is a better bike than the 1200GSA and the 950 KTM
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2011, 10:32:39 am »
Why they put those low front mud guards on an "adventure" bike, I have no idea.

I would say something that makes the bike un-rideable in terrain that the machine was "meant" for is a pretty stupid idea - wouldn't you?  After all an "adventure" bike shouldn't seize up solid in mud should it?

KTM's also have them with the same results.  

Surely somebody at the various OEM's should wake up and stop including them in the design?

Or this another one of the "fashion" things were a disfunctional design persists because somebody thinks it looks nice?

Strange that, many of the Dakar bikes did day one with high guard (mud) back to low guard next day for stability in the drier terrain at speed, maybe they know something 8)

I'm not convinced that it has any impact whatsoever on the stability. I have a high-mount front mudguard on my bike and there is no problem with high speed stability. They might know something else but I rekon it has nothing to do with stability.  :-\

Yes I'm sure it has nothing to do with stability. Perhaps EU regulations for spray from riding in rain on road bikes (that stupid little plastic fender thing on the Dakar back wheel, is a result of a similar German regulations for road bikes as far as I know).  But then why do other road bikes have high fenders?  And most of them dont have that stupid little back wheel fender? It just makes no sense, like a lot of other EU regulations.  So maybe over zealous bureaucracy?

In any event, this one little bit of plastic makes various bikes a lot less capable in mud than they should be - which is just plain stupid IMO!

I'm sure the argument of "only 1% (or whatever) of our clients only actually ever take their bikes off road in mud etc" will be trotted out in due course, but its still a stupid design.  At the very least they should offer the option to install a higher mudguard as an extra or something.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2011, 12:46:52 pm »
Whats the issue - See glue mud, take fender off.

It also binds up on the XT, but it's there to protect the radiator - if I ride without it in normal conditions the radiator gets clogged & doesn't work as well. It's less than a beer's worth of time to take the thing off when necessary.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2011, 12:54:46 pm »
Seriously guys, all it would take - on the KTM as well - is to mount the mudguard 20mm higher up.
How hard could that have been for the "injineers" to figure out!

+1

Everyone is up in arms about the words 'design flaw' and 'bmw' ....and no one comments on the fact that the 800GS with the higher guard did not have the same problem.

Obviously the 800GS is a better bike than the 1200GSA and the 950 KTM
So show me the low mudguard on the SE?
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2011, 03:29:49 pm »
1200 + adventure = design flaw                     :peepwall:
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2011, 03:48:59 pm »
Roxenz will recall the mud building up and locking the front wheel has been noticed on my soft roader V-Strom too.

And driving at 60km/h did not fling off the mud, it just made the impact harder.

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