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Offline JourneyMan

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2011, 04:31:27 pm »
Old design flaw. See Funacide and Perdskaap back in 2006. :biggrin:






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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2011, 06:37:33 pm »
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2011, 06:52:36 pm »
Ja, BMW's are k@k!

Absolutely.  Worst bike ever build, especially the 1200 GS Adventure.

Can't fathom anyone actually wanting to ride one. 

Absolutely.

They are complete kak, horrible to ride and own.

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but at least they're better than KTMs.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2011, 08:02:33 pm »
BMW motorcycles, while being a reliable mount for the less demanding rider, can never live up to for instance KTM's. This is simply because of heritage. Weapons never develop faster than in wartime, machinery never develop faster than when racing. BMW simply do not have this heritage well to sip from, and therefore a few niggling design flaws are prone to surface.
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2011, 08:42:47 pm »
BMW motorcycles, while being a reliable mount for the less demanding rider, can never live up to for instance KTM's. This is simply because of heritage. Weapons never develop faster than in wartime, machinery never develop faster than when racing. BMW simply do not have this heritage well to sip from, and therefore a few niggling design flaws are prone to surface.

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2011, 08:53:37 pm »
Yip. :pot:
The BM owners are either still thinking of a comeback or they know me so well by now they do'nt even bother. :patch:
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2011, 08:58:10 pm »
Still got a yamaha DT 50.Had it since standard 4.Best bike ever still running.

But after climbing on a BM!!!

No Mate I prefer German engineering over jap scrap.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2011, 09:19:21 pm »
German engineering is a myth. Even with pampered backup and caring owners, lots of issues. Never seen a BM neutral-revving at a rally. Oh, of course, I forgot, you would not find a BM rider on a rally would you? It is not that the BM can't take it, it's just not what BM riders do. :mwink:
RD50, RZ125, DT400, GT380, GT750, RD 350, RZ350, RZ500, KH500, H2 750, YZ250, GSX-R750, these are just some of the Japscraps I have owned and that has given me EXCITEMENT, while BMW had flat twin boxers to offer! Surprised that I could not find the rising sun at the Germans?
Unfortunately no way to say this without hurting feelings, but for any redblooded biker the older Boxer twins was a non-event. So much for German engineering.
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2011, 09:31:19 pm »
German engineering is a myth. Even with pampered backup and caring owners, lots of issues. Never seen a BM neutral-revving at a rally. Oh, of course, I forgot, you would not find a BM rider on a rally would you? It is not that the BM can't take it, it's just not what BM riders do. :mwink:
RD50, RZ125, DT400, GT380, GT750, RD 350, RZ350, RZ500, KH500, H2 750, YZ250, GSX-R750, these are just some of the Japscraps I have owned and that has given me EXCITEMENT, while BMW had flat twin boxers to offer! Surprised that I could not find the rising sun at the Germans?
Unfortunately no way to say this without hurting feelings, but for any redblooded biker the older Boxer twins was a non-event. So much for German engineering.

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2011, 11:41:07 pm »
Its amazing how eager people are to take the opportunity to have a go at BMW  ::) 

I'm constantly amazed at the power of branding and how people flock to their various banners, dancing to the tunes of the marketing exec's  ::)   

But BMW's arent the only ones with these low mudguards

KTM 990's have them and also have the same problem, as does the New Yamaha Super Ten, as do a few other bikes.  Given the right type of mud they will ALL suffer the same fate, there is no mystical aura around a particular badge thats going magically stop that!

The problem isnt the brand, just the stupid idea of putting a low mudguard on an adventure bike - thats all! 
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2011, 07:28:43 am »
I don' think the mudguard is as much a design flaw as the tail light mounting, I keep on loosing mine.
I've been told to tie it onto the sub frame using wire, but I had to use cable ties witch eventually broke and now I'll resort to wire!!!
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2011, 07:48:47 am »
I've ridden bikes my whole long life. Had all types. Raced on track and off road. Every single bike I've ever owned and/or ridden had the same design flaw - the rider, me. :patch: ???
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2011, 07:51:19 am »
Old design flaw. See Funacide and Perdskaap back in 2006. :biggrin:






Wino on the TA as well. We took off the guard at the time.





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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2011, 07:58:26 am »
Slip sliding away! :biggrin:
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2011, 08:00:07 am »
I don' think the mudguard is as much a design flaw as the tail light mounting, I keep on loosing mine.
I've been told to tie it onto the sub frame using wire, but I had to use cable ties witch eventually broke and now I'll resort to wire!!!

Lost two tail assembly's. Then modded it. But can't remember what I did.  :P  :biggrin: No problems since then.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2011, 08:11:03 am »
The only  " flaw " is the front suspension system , the problem starts with the ball-joint mount for the steering . It causes an obstruction and thus mud will accumilate there . The mudguard only worsens the problem , Why don't propper off-roads have the same problems ? Because the mudguard is mounted right under the steering and the same for other high mounted guards . Remember in the old days also in the Brits area the Massey ferguson tractors would get their mudguards bent inwards because they were too close to the wheels and ja the turf in Brits is bad . Saw a bakkie with chained rear wheels get stuck because the chains were stuck in the mud ! ( 2nd day after soaking rains )
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2011, 10:08:38 am »
Seems you are not alone..........

Advrider thread same thing they say remove the fender as well

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164351

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #77 on: January 14, 2011, 10:09:39 am »
Its amazing how eager people are to take the opportunity to have a go at BMW  ::) 

I'm constantly amazed at the power of branding and how people flock to their various banners, dancing to the tunes of the marketing exec's  ::)   

But BMW's arent the only ones with these low mudguards

KTM 990's have them and also have the same problem, as does the New Yamaha Super Ten, as do a few other bikes.  Given the right type of mud they will ALL suffer the same fate, there is no mystical aura around a particular badge thats going magically stop that!

The problem isnt the brand, just the stupid idea of putting a low mudguard on an adventure bike - thats all! 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2011, 10:26:45 am »
My fendertjie werk lekke in enige omstandighede.
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2011, 11:20:09 am »
Jip, myne ook. Meeste bikes het standaard die probleem.
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