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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2011, 11:25:43 am »
Amusingly, when the forum started almost all the guys were using Anachees etc, the necessity of knobbies wasn,t there  :biggrin:

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2011, 03:27:57 pm »
I still think the best bike to ride is the one YOU like.Its you paying a moerse prise for it.It might as well be something you dreamed of.

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2011, 07:40:27 pm »
To eliminate clogging by mud, one needs to have space for it to accumulate - that is why the high mudguards became trendy.
If low mudguards had the bottom edge closer to the tyre that the mounting itself, the bottom edge of the mudguard would shave the mud off, leaving space further along between mudguard and mud.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2011, 03:00:44 pm »
Whats the issue - See glue mud, take fender off.

It also binds up on the XT, but it's there to protect the radiator - if I ride without it in normal conditions the radiator gets clogged & doesn't work as well. It's less than a beer's worth of time to take the thing off when necessary.
True! The soft sand encoumtered in the Dakar clogs the radiators almost as much as mud!
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2011, 03:02:34 pm »
To eliminate clogging by mud, one needs to have space for it to accumulate - that is why the high mudguards became trendy.
If low mudguards had the bottom edge closer to the tyre that the mounting itself, the bottom edge of the mudguard would shave the mud off, leaving space further along between mudguard and mud.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2011, 06:32:27 pm »
River crossings is daar , nie om fotos te neem nie , maar om die ergste modder uit jou verkoeler of in die geval ,voor modderskerm te kry .  Kyk bietjie na stage 13 op die Dakar . Die ouens jaag deur die watercrossings , maar by die checkpoints  sukkel hulle met waterbotteltjies om die radiators skoon te kry .  :3some:
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2011, 06:45:40 pm »
Jip, myne ook. Meeste bikes het standaard die probleem.

The one with the knobblies has the low front fender.  Go figure....
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2011, 12:24:56 pm »
If you are on  GS /GSA and you happen to get into mud , worse is clay'ish mud or so. You've got K*K big time.

Myself and two buddies got into this position last year after those major floods in the Free State, just south of Parys on the way to Kroonstad. After getting really bogged down, on seemingly "rideable" mud roads, we battled 1 hour 50 minutes to ride 1.8km to the rearest tar road. FARK, ! is an understatement! We consumed all our water ( Camelbacks) + a bottle of colddrink in the top box. We were totally exhausted by the time we got onto tar. These excercises were not good for our hearts, I can assure you that.

MUD ? Stay away, Stay at home, remain on TAR. BMW surely "F*&ked" up on this score.  
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2011, 02:21:32 pm »
Na ek al die stront gelees het oor BMWs wat k@k is, gaan ek myne aan die brand steek en by Van Stadensbrug afspring (en vergeet van horses for courses)!
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #89 on: January 16, 2011, 06:08:50 pm »
Na ek al die stront gelees het oor BMWs wat k@k is, gaan ek myne aan die brand steek en by Van Stadensbrug afspring (en vergeet van horses for courses)!

DJ, ek se jou wat, gee hom vir my om aan die brand te steek voordat jy by Van Stadensbrug gaan bungie sonder tou.
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Maak net seker jy't die registrasie sertifikaat by om ook te brand... okay?  :mwink:
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2011, 06:55:29 pm »
Danie Jordaan, gooi net die GS by van Stadens af, dan kan jy mos maar nog lewe. Dalk kan jy kyk na n Yamaha en n lewe kry :pot:
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2011, 07:01:03 pm »
Danie Jordaan, gooi net die GS by van Stadens af, dan kan jy mos maar nog lewe. Dalk kan jy kyk na n Yamaha en n lewe kry :pot:


Ek kyk toe nou die GS en die 660Z wat langs mekaar staan en besef met 'n moerse skok dat die 660 dieselfde design fout het met die voorste modderskerm, WTF, het die Yamaha manne by BMW afgekyk of andersom?

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2011, 07:15:04 pm »
The buyer dictates what he/she get sold. Everyone wants a low fender because the Dakar bikes has them. Bloody damn fools :pot:
Do you see a MX or enduro bike with a low fender? Have you wondered why? They have to race in mud sometimes.
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2011, 08:07:31 pm »
The buyer dictates what he/she get sold. Everyone wants a low fender because the Dakar bikes has them. Bloody damn fools :pot:
Do you see a MX or enduro bike with a low fender? Have you wondered why? They have to race in mud sometimes.
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2011, 03:50:36 pm »
Stem saam dit is seker n' foutjie maar ek kan nie verstaan hoekom dit nie vir die knape n' probleem is nie.  :imaposer:
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2011, 04:40:54 pm »
Doesnt make sense does it?

Low front mud guards definitely are prone to causing the front wheel to sieze up in mud as shown in numerous posts above.

Those Dakar bikes thus cant be immune to the problem - but maybe they assume there's no mud in the desert?

If its prone to clogging, even if you manage to avoid it siezing up by going fast it must at least affect the handling and performance because mud IS going to collect in there?

But knobblies will self-clean a lot better, so maybe thats the answer!  Dakar bikes dont use DS tyres with narrow grooves that are more prone to collecting mud? 

Still not convinced they wont have a problem in mud though!

Didnt they have a very muddy stage in the latest Dakar - what was the feedback from that?

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2011, 04:46:41 pm »
Doesnt make sense does it?  Those Dakar bikes cant be immune to the problem - but maybe they assume there's no mud in the desert?

If its prone to clogging, even if you manage to avoid it siezing up by going fast it must at least affect the handling and performance?


True I see the sand and desert thing, but there was a hell of allot of mud as well I think stage 10 or 11 was just a mud mess and they only seemed to worry about radiators. Don't understand it just does not compute.  :eek7:
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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2011, 04:47:42 pm »
easiest way to prevent/overcome this issue is:


Flat out on the back wheel!!!!
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2011, 04:59:18 pm »
Looking at these picture, the front of the mudguards appear closer to the tyre
than the rest, so maybe the idea is that the mud gets scraped off by the front of the
mudguard and cant accumulate underneath ???
 

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Re: BMW design flaw
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2011, 06:28:58 pm »
Doesnt make sense does it?  Those Dakar bikes cant be immune to the problem - but maybe they assume there's no mud in the desert?

If its prone to clogging, even if you manage to avoid it siezing up by going fast it must at least affect the handling and performance?


True I see the sand and desert thing, but there was a hell of allot of mud as well I think stage 10 or 11 was just a mud mess and they only seemed to worry about radiators. Don't understand it just does not compute.  :eek7:

Personally I don't think mud is the big issue here. I never had problems with mud before, but this is about CLAY, not just mud. It's the kind of stuff that collects under your shoes if you walk through it, and eventually make you about 1 inch taller than what you really are. Maybe they just had mud in the Dakar, but not the kind of black turf clay that we encounter here in places.