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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2011, 11:57:15 am »
We are doing a mini Baja this weekend Lutzville to Hondeklipbaai and back and I will let you know which bike comes out on top. I already have a good idea but will keep it to myself for now.  

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KTM 640 Adventure
Suzuki DRZ 400E
Husky 610 TE

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say:

XR
690 Rally
TE
DRZ
XChallenge
640 Adventure

depends on the riders though  :deal:

Come on Wes; you can do better than that  :pot:.

The XR is the king of Baja for a reason - it's straight-off-the-throttle torque is something to behold (at least, on a properly tuned one). There are days I regret not buying one - until I start my bike (with a button), or shift into 6th ;)

The XR will beat the KTM Rallye on torque and weight

The KTM Rallye will only beat the TE because of it's suspension and it's power (if it truly is Rally tuned)

The DRZ 400 is actually a lekker little bike - it's lightning quick and light, it'll beat the XChallenge because it's sprung better (unless the XChallenge has a spring shock on the rear)

The XChallenge doesn't have the fairing of the KTM 640 to content with, BUT the 640 might beat it on suspension

Just my opinion, I could be horribly wrong. Come on, what's YOUR prediction?

The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is. The kick start and the outdated suspension will let it down.
The KTM Rallye is a beautiful thing but it is big and heavy.
The terrain on this particular ride is a bit to open for the DRZ 400, if it were tighter and more technical it would be there and thereabouts.
The X-Challenge is underpowered and heavy and has question marks about its rear shock.
The 640 Adventure rider will have to stop every 5 minutes to get the feeling back in his hands.    
So whats left?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011, 11:58:10 am by Rough Rider »
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2011, 11:58:57 am »
We are doing a mini Baja this weekend Lutzville to Hondeklipbaai and back and I will let you know which bike comes out on top. I already have a good idea but will keep it to myself for now.  

X-Challange
XR650R
KTM 690 Rally (ex Dakar bike)
KTM 640 Adventure
Suzuki DRZ 400E
Husky 610 TE

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say:

XR
690 Rally
TE
DRZ
XChallenge
640 Adventure

depends on the riders though  :deal:

Come on Wes; you can do better than that  :pot:.

The XR is the king of Baja for a reason - it's straight-off-the-throttle torque is something to behold (at least, on a properly tuned one). There are days I regret not buying one - until I start my bike (with a button), or shift into 6th ;)

The XR will beat the KTM Rallye on torque and weight

The KTM Rallye will only beat the TE because of it's suspension and it's power (if it truly is Rally tuned)

The DRZ 400 is actually a lekker little bike - it's lightning quick and light, it'll beat the XChallenge because it's sprung better (unless the XChallenge has a spring shock on the rear)

The XChallenge doesn't have the fairing of the KTM 640 to content with, BUT the 640 might beat it on suspension

Just my opinion, I could be horribly wrong. Come on, what's YOUR prediction?

The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is. The kick start and the outdated suspension will let it down.
The KTM Rallye is a beautiful thing but it is big and heavy.
The terrain on this particular ride is a bit to open for the DRZ 400, if it were tighter and more technical it would be there and thereabouts.
The X-Challenge is underpowered and heavy and has question marks about its rear shock.
The 640 Adventure rider will have to stop every 5 minutes to get the feeling back in his hands.    
So whats left?

 :deal:
 

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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2011, 12:03:02 pm »
690 Rally
XR
TE
DRZ
640 Adventure
XChallenge


OMVAL EN OPTEL.....
 

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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2011, 12:04:07 pm »
To be honest if there were any 450's on this ride they would walk it hands down.
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2011, 12:17:35 pm »
The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is.

Please explain
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2011, 12:24:19 pm »
We are doing a mini Baja this weekend Lutzville to Hondeklipbaai and back and I will let you know which bike comes out on top. I already have a good idea but will keep it to myself for now.  

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KTM 690 Rally (ex Dakar bike)
KTM 640 Adventure
Suzuki DRZ 400E
Husky 610 TE

In my limited/outdated experience with off road racing, the bike is far less important than the rider, so I would say it all depends who is riding those various bikes.  Put a good rider who is a lot better than the rest on any of those bikes and the others will battle to keep up, as long is its not just perfectly flat long straight sand roads!

Also different people do well on different bikes, a very aggressive rider will want something that rips the ground apart at all times, that may not make him the fastest over any course, but, thats the way he will want to ride, so he'll choose and like that type of bike - others may favour handling and smoothness so a fire breathing bucking bronco monster is just going to slow them down etc.

So endless arguments about which bike has more power etc, are really pointless in most off road racing contexts, unless the bike is an absolute dog.  Its the bike that YOU find easiest to ride fast, and which is also reliable, which is going to win you races or get you the best positions in most cases.
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2011, 12:27:30 pm »
The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is.

Please explain

CRF is king of the Baja
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2011, 12:33:24 pm »
The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is.

Please explain

Here is the list of past winners:

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Year--Rider(s), Vehicle
1982--Bob Balentine, Honda XR500 (Class 22)
1983--Jack Johnson, Honda XR500 (Class 22)
1984--Dan Smith/Dan Ashcraft, Husqvarna CR500 (Class 22)
1990--Dan Smith/Danny Hamel, KTM (Class 22)
1991--Larry Roeseler/Ted Hunnicut Jr, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1992--Larry Roeseler/Ted Hunnicut Jr, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1993--Danny Hamel, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1994--Danny Hamel, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1995--Danny Hamel, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1996--Paul Krause, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1997--Tim Staab, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
1998--Johnny Campbell/Tim Staab, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
1999--Johnny Campbell/Cole Marshall, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
2000--Johnny Campbell/Tim Staab, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
2001--Steve Hengeveld/Jonah Street, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2002--Steve Hengeveld/Johnny Campbell, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2003--Steve Hengeveld/Johnny Campbell, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2004--Steve Hengeveld/Johnny Campbell, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2005--Chris Blais/Andy Grider/Quinn Cody, KTM MXC525 (Class 22)
2006--Robby Bell/Kendall Norman, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2007--Robby Bell/Kendall Norman, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2008--Robby Bell/Johnny Campbell, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2009--Kendall Norman/Timmy Weigand, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2010--Colton Udall/Jeff Kargola, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2011--Colton Udall/Jeff Kargola, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2011, 12:36:12 pm »
The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is.

Please explain

CRF is king of the Baja

Nope, the CRF still needs 2 more wins to equal the XR650
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2011, 12:38:58 pm »
The one which is the current holder is the king in my opinion  :lamer:
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2011, 12:41:13 pm »
Argh, ok man, as long as it is a Honda :P
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2011, 12:42:41 pm »
Argh, ok man, as long as it is a Honda :P

I can't argue with that; although the KX500 had a good run.
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2011, 12:59:33 pm »
I've had 2 XR's before the one I have now:
  1981 XR 500
  1985 XR 600
  1985 XR 600 (current)

I don't have the bucks that most of the guys on this forum have, so I need to sell my current bike when upgrading.
The next one will be another XR, but with rear disks, and the one after that will be the mighty 650R. Can't wait!!
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2011, 09:50:57 am »
DRZ will smoke XR650R on most surfaces, except very fast flat, due to weight advantage.
 

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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2011, 12:04:25 pm »
And what about the Puzey..... :peepwall: :pot: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2011, 06:57:52 pm »
Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
As you know, I'm an XR guy at heart and wouldn't mind owning a 650.

I was looking for a 525 and 650 at the same time.. found the 525.
 

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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2011, 03:51:11 pm »
Fok ek wens ek het so baie geld en tyd en skill gehad om te kon leer bike ry. ;)
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2011, 04:04:33 pm »
The XR was the king of the Baja but it no longer is.

Please explain

Here is the list of past winners:

Pro Motorcycles
Year--Rider(s), Vehicle
1982--Bob Balentine, Honda XR500 (Class 22)
1983--Jack Johnson, Honda XR500 (Class 22)
1984--Dan Smith/Dan Ashcraft, Husqvarna CR500 (Class 22)
1990--Dan Smith/Danny Hamel, KTM (Class 22)
1991--Larry Roeseler/Ted Hunnicut Jr, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1992--Larry Roeseler/Ted Hunnicut Jr, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1993--Danny Hamel, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1994--Danny Hamel, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1995--Danny Hamel, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1996--Paul Krause, Kawasaki KX500 (Class 22)
1997--Tim Staab, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
1998--Johnny Campbell/Tim Staab, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
1999--Johnny Campbell/Cole Marshall, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
2000--Johnny Campbell/Tim Staab, Honda XR650 (Class 22)
2001--Steve Hengeveld/Jonah Street, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2002--Steve Hengeveld/Johnny Campbell, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2003--Steve Hengeveld/Johnny Campbell, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2004--Steve Hengeveld/Johnny Campbell, Honda XR650R (Class 22)
2005--Chris Blais/Andy Grider/Quinn Cody, KTM MXC525 (Class 22)
2006--Robby Bell/Kendall Norman, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2007--Robby Bell/Kendall Norman, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2008--Robby Bell/Johnny Campbell, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2009--Kendall Norman/Timmy Weigand, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2010--Colton Udall/Jeff Kargola, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
2011--Colton Udall/Jeff Kargola, Honda CRF450X (Class 22)
In 2005 the XR650 won with Hengeveld and Campbell, pretty sure a KTM never had that honour.
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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2011, 04:14:14 pm »
DRZ will smoke XR650R on most surfaces, except very fast flat, due to weight advantage.

so me on a DRZ will smoke you on a XR?  I don't think so  ;D
 

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Re: Will the REAL XR riders step up --------------
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2011, 04:15:31 pm »
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