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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2011, 10:09:32 am »
Maybe if we ask nicely, BMWSA will give us a G650GS Africa version with spoke wheels, bash plate, crossbar on the handlebars, taller tweeked suspension and a seat that is not as hollow, or am I asking too much?
 

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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2011, 11:22:19 am »



Is that such a bad thing?



No.  It is an excellent thing.

Maybe if we ask nicely, BMWSA will give us a G650GS Africa version with spoke wheels, bash plate, crossbar on the handlebars, taller tweeked suspension and a seat that is not as hollow, or am I asking too much?

If BMW think they will sell, you will get it.  If not ....

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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2011, 11:28:30 am »
Jaaa.. unlike KTM. Kak bike , does'nt sell, leaks oil, butttt still they bring it in!!!!!
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2011, 05:25:58 pm »
Its an R11,000 difference to the F650GS 800twin. Worth it? I think the pricing difference is not enough.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2011, 05:44:35 pm »
Its an R11,000 difference to the F650GS 800twin. Worth it? I think the pricing difference is not enough.

R11k is a big difference on that end of the market.  Initially BMW SA wasn't planning to bring this bike in, exactly because they thought that it would be priced too close to the F650GS.  Their market research much have shown them a different picture.   
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2011, 06:09:48 pm »
Maybe if we ask nicely, BMWSA will give us a G650GS Africa version with spoke wheels, bash plate, crossbar on the handlebars, taller tweeked suspension and a seat that is not as hollow, or am I asking too much?


Ba humbug!!!
Fat chance of them doing anything to help their SA customers mate! Here's it's NOT about consumer likes or dislikes!
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2011, 06:35:53 pm »
Maybe if we ask nicely, BMWSA will give us a G650GS Africa version with spoke wheels, bash plate, crossbar on the handlebars, taller tweeked suspension and a seat that is not as hollow, or am I asking too much?


Ba humbug!!!
Fat chance of them doing anything to help their SA customers mate! Here's it's NOT about consumer likes or dislikes!
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2011, 08:49:44 pm »

Ba humbug!!!
Fat chance of them doing anything to help their SA customers mate! Here's it's NOT about consumer likes or dislikes!

The problem for BMW, as I see it, is what does the SA market want?  Just in this thread we have one person who believes it is over prised already while another would like all sorts of nifty extras that will increase the price.  Ad to that, the fact that BMW SA has comfortably cornered 54% of the market, they will tell you they are giving the SA consumer exactly what they want.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2011, 11:34:28 pm »
Only a blind loyalty to brand BMW could be a motivation for spending 80 grand on the new 650gs. A repackaged 1980's model (it was underpowered, top heavy and poor handling then already) given some new plastics and a dollop of BM marketing genius.  A KLR650 , XT660R , DR650 or XR650L (also all old technology bikes) are all vastly superior bikes at under R55000.  Perhaps it's not a motor cycle you want but a BMW. I realise the coffee in shiny modern showroom is hard to resist, as well as the sales course trained but licking salesman's banter and never mind the free tow-in service (needed) and the club/social family scene.

And seeing as I'm on a roll let me vent about another BMW bug bear. Big bike riding guys getting their wifes GS650 singles/and twins to ride. It's dangerous and irresponsile. These bikes are big , top heavy, poor handling and designed for big strong guys. Most lady riders will never master these bikes on any loose surface and spend their riding days intimidated by their bike. Think KLR250, XR250 etc
 
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2011, 05:51:37 am »
Only a blind loyalty to brand BMW could be a motivation for spending 80 grand on the new 650gs. A repackaged 1980's model (it was underpowered, top heavy and poor handling then already) given some new plastics and a dollop of BM marketing genius.  A KLR650 , XT660R , DR650 or XR650L (also all old technology bikes) are all vastly superior bikes at under R55000.  Perhaps it's not a motor cycle you want but a BMW. I realise the coffee in shiny modern showroom is hard to resist, as well as the sales course trained but licking salesman's banter and never mind the free tow-in service (needed) and the club/social family scene.

Wow!  A lot of serious sarcasm here.

Anyway, you are correct in a way.  Yes, blind loyalty will make current BMW owners buy the G650GS for that price, but so will the vast majority of first time riders and that is the absolute brilliance of BMW marketing and in the end, that is all business is about.  Create a product, create a need and make money.

Then, what are the alternatives in SA?  You mention a few possibilities.  All great bikes.  All extremely well priced.  All carrying the well known Japanese manufacturer style of marketing (none), and after sales service (close to none) and not one of them, in any way changed to make it more palatable to the general buying public.  You can not fault BMW for seeing how the buying market is changing and adapting to that.

I myself ride a R1200GS.  My first choice?  No.  After three years of chowing down on and swallowing Suzuki after sales service and a week of trying to buy a new Yamaha, I got the Beemer. 

And seeing as I'm on a roll let me vent about another BMW bug bear. Big bike riding guys getting their wifes GS650 singles/and twins to ride. It's dangerous and irresponsile. These bikes are big , top heavy, poor handling and designed for big strong guys. Most lady riders will never master these bikes on any loose surface and spend their riding days intimidated by their bike. Think KLR250, XR250 etc
 

My wife started on a F650GS (thumper), upgraded to a F650GS (twin) and is now on a R1200GS.  I believe that a person who can really ride a bike well, will not feel the weight and since 95% of all duel puprose bikes never go off-road, it doesn't matter.  As for safety, the Beemers that you called unsafe have ABS which none of the competitors have, for instance.   They do have ... just not imported with that. 

In the end, we can rant about BMW as much as we want, but the fact remains that they have the recipé down pat and the other manufacturers do not.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2011, 11:51:58 am »
"In the end, we can rant about BMW as much as we want, but the fact remains that they have the recipé down pat and the other manufacturers do not"  This is exactly the type of thinking that will cause BMW to loose the very market they dominated for years. My prediction is that Honda will be the responsible to lift BMW lifestyle into the dark ages  :deal:
 

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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2011, 04:39:01 pm »
My prediction is that Honda will be the responsible to lift BMW lifestyle into the dark ages  :deal:

If Honda didn't do it in the past 10 years, they won't in the next 10.  As long as any manufacturer, trying to compete with BMW, expects you to wait for parts that should be available over the counter (shims, ECU, etc.) for as long as 6 weeks.  Have 6000km service intervals.  Do not supply loan bikes.  Rely on very expensive financing from a third party and so on, they will not topple BMW as top seller in SA.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2011, 05:41:08 pm »
And seeing as I'm on a roll let me vent about another BMW bug bear. Big bike riding guys getting their wifes GS650 singles/and twins to ride. It's dangerous and irresponsile. These bikes are big , top heavy, poor handling and designed for big strong guys. Most lady riders will never master these bikes on any loose surface and spend their riding days intimidated by their bike. Think KLR250, XR250 etc
 

I totally disagree with you  ???
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2011, 05:50:03 pm »
And seeing as I'm on a roll let me vent about another BMW bug bear. Big bike riding guys getting their wifes GS650 singles/and twins to ride. It's dangerous and irresponsile. These bikes are big , top heavy, poor handling and designed for big strong guys. Most lady riders will never master these bikes on any loose surface and spend their riding days intimidated by their bike. Think KLR250, XR250 etc
 

I totally disagree with you  ???

My experience has also been that 650 as a starter and often even long after is too intimidating and heavy for new lady riders. Starting with a 125 or max 250 is sure to give the rider a lot more confidence and keep your lady riding much longer
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2011, 08:39:05 pm »
My wife is women enough so that I might just get her one, if she chooses so.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2011, 05:59:05 am »
And seeing as I'm on a roll let me vent about another BMW bug bear. Big bike riding guys getting their wifes GS650 singles/and twins to ride. It's dangerous and irresponsile. These bikes are big , top heavy, poor handling and designed for big strong guys. Most lady riders will never master these bikes on any loose surface and spend their riding days intimidated by their bike. Think KLR250, XR250 etc
 

I totally disagree with you  ???

My experience has also been that 650 as a starter and often even long after is too intimidating and heavy for new lady riders. Starting with a 125 or max 250 is sure to give the rider a lot more confidence and keep your lady riding much longer

I have to go with Puddles on this one as my experience is exactly the opposite.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2011, 07:06:00 am »
My prediction is that Honda will be the responsible to lift BMW lifestyle into the dark ages  :deal:

If Honda didn't do it in the past 10 years, they won't in the next 10.  As long as any manufacturer, trying to compete with BMW, expects you to wait for parts that should be available over the counter (shims, ECU, etc.) for as long as 6 weeks.  Have 6000km service intervals.  Do not supply loan bikes.  Rely on very expensive financing from a third party and so on, they will not topple BMW as top seller in SA.

Wainting three months for a BMW variator belt does not help your argument here.
 

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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2011, 11:50:48 am »
At what point does having a decent bike become more important than the gold leaf wrapping. Ie the loan bike , shiny floors and free coffee?

If you believe your wife can ride a 1200 of any brand off road I'm afraid you're in a different reality. The percentage of blokes with the abillity to handle a 200kg+  100hp beast is so small and chances of a lady are nil. Zero.  Paddling along at 10km/h aint riding.
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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2011, 12:17:37 pm »
And seeing as I'm on a roll let me vent about another BMW bug bear. Big bike riding guys getting their wifes GS650 singles/and twins to ride. It's dangerous and irresponsile. 

+1 (as a generalization - there are exceptions)
 

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Re: New 2011 BMW G 650 GS
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2011, 12:42:26 pm »
Dear Mr badseed, what did the BMW salesman say that pissed you off so much?
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