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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #120 on: March 30, 2011, 03:07:51 pm »
And everyone is critical of the costs for Rally Raids, GS Challenge/Eco1000 etc.......Now perhaps people will start realizing what these events cost....

Cold mielies are inexcusable though.
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #121 on: March 30, 2011, 03:09:44 pm »
And everyone is critical of the costs for Rally Raids, GS Challenge/Eco1000 etc.......Now perhaps people will start realizing what these events cost....

Cold mielies are inexcusable though.

Absolutely...perhaps the heating money went to the medics.... :biggrin:
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #122 on: March 30, 2011, 03:18:09 pm »
And everyone is critical of the costs for Rally Raids, GS Challenge/Eco1000 etc.......Now perhaps people will start realizing what these events cost....
We get the same at our MX Club... "Ma die baan is nie nat/geskraap/gerotovate nie, hoekom moet ek by die hek betaal"  :deal:
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #123 on: March 30, 2011, 03:23:25 pm »
I know the guy that does medical backup for the Yamaha events, as well as a variety of other dual sport events, I can get a cost estimate from him......
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2011, 03:39:29 pm »
I know the guy that does medical backup for the Yamaha events, as well as a variety of other dual sport events, I can get a cost estimate from him......

They do the medical at our trials events now aswell, very worthwhile. (won't mention their fees, but nowhere near what the MX guys appear to be paying)  ;D

We used to have an ER24 ambo & at least 2 medics at an event for around R2k for 6 hours on a Sunday...
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #125 on: March 30, 2011, 03:45:46 pm »
I would be careful.

Providing medical facilities places a level of accountability on the organisers, and there will now be expectations to manage (and defend if something goes wrong). From there, it is a slippery slope.

Rather be very clear on what will be there and what not, so people can accept the risks.

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #126 on: March 30, 2011, 03:51:13 pm »
I would be careful.

Providing medical facilities places a level of accountability on the organisers, and there will now be expectations to manage (and defend if something goes wrong). From there, it is a slippery slope.

Rather be very clear on what will be there and what not, so people can accept the risks.

+1

I know Bertus of Outdoor Medical. They are NOT going to be cheap. At least not on a level the average WD will be prepared to pay.

Stop this formal nonsense. We're adventure riders, ffs. We take (calculated) risks. If you don't want to accept them, then go and do a BMW club ride.

I hate rules and overly formal shyte when I'm biking. Otherwise I'd have bought a farking Harley or tootled along with Michelin Anakees, a 'group leader' and a neon yellow bib.  :pot:
« Last Edit: March 30, 2011, 03:52:32 pm by Jacko »
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #127 on: March 30, 2011, 03:53:35 pm »
I know the guy that does medical backup for the Yamaha events, as well as a variety of other dual sport events, I can get a cost estimate from him......

They do the medical at our trials events now aswell, very worthwhile. (won't mention their fees, but nowhere near what the MX guys appear to be paying)  ;D

We used to have an ER24 ambo & at least 2 medics at an event for around R2k for 6 hours on a Sunday...

That is one ambo... MX and Off road require 2 as well as 1x ALS medic and his car/ambo... trails as we know are a low speed event. :deal: :mwink:
It is usually the ALS that takes the biggest slice of the cake plus the level of life support skills required for the medical staff at MX and Off Road events that make them more expensive medic wise.
That being said... I would not like to have a simple first aid qualified medic and inadequate ambulance if any medical support was offered, either you go all the way with an ALS on hand or nothing.
 

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #128 on: March 30, 2011, 04:02:34 pm »
I had no expectation of medical support at the past event. This is how I prepared (and how I prepare for every trip):
- I had my ICE info,
- gave the place's co-ords, map printout, route and phone number to my wife (yes the number was on the thread).
- I packed a small medical trauma kit ( understand what is inside and how to use it)
- made sure I still understand basic CPR,
- had a chat with some riding buddies about backing each other up

I was pleasantly comforted on arrival to see a competent medic in attendance.

If these bash events become too formally organised, I predict a slow demise, as everything provided will be chewed and spat out afterward by somebody that expected something else / better.

I, for one would then rather join the informal / unofficial / rogue bash events that is bound to take place.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2011, 04:03:16 pm by Heimer »

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #129 on: March 30, 2011, 04:11:23 pm »
I would be careful.

Providing medical facilities places a level of accountability on the organisers, and there will now be expectations to manage (and defend if something goes wrong). From there, it is a slippery slope.

Rather be very clear on what will be there and what not, so people can accept the risks.

+1

I know Bertus of Outdoor Medical. They are NOT going to be cheap. At least not on a level the average WD will be prepared to pay.

Stop this formal nonsense. We're adventure riders, ffs. We take (calculated) risks. If you don't want to accept them, then go and do a BMW club ride.

I hate rules and overly formal shyte when I'm biking. Otherwise I'd have bought a farking Harley or tootled along with Michelin Anakees, a 'group leader' and a neon yellow bib.  :pot:

Hear hear...!!
You qualify for the red bib then... :mwink:
 

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #130 on: March 30, 2011, 04:26:07 pm »
I had no expectation of medical support at the past event. This is how I prepared (and how I prepare for every trip):
- I had my ICE info,
- gave the place's co-ords, map printout, route and phone number to my wife (yes the number was on the thread).
- I packed a small medical trauma kit ( understand what is inside and how to use it)
- made sure I still understand basic CPR,
- had a chat with some riding buddies about backing each other up

I was pleasantly comforted on arrival to see a competent medic in attendance.

If these bash events become too formally organised, I predict a slow demise, as everything provided will be chewed and spat out afterward by somebody that expected something else / better.

I, for one would then rather join the informal / unofficial / rogue bash events that is bound to take place.
.... and everything you mentioned would have been useless if you could not PHONE for an ambulance after you`ve been seriously injured !!!!  :eek7:  :eek7:  :eek7:
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #131 on: March 30, 2011, 05:03:07 pm »
I had no expectation of medical support at the past event. This is how I prepared (and how I prepare for every trip):
- I had my ICE info,
- gave the place's co-ords, map printout, route and phone number to my wife (yes the number was on the thread).
- I packed a small medical trauma kit ( understand what is inside and how to use it)
- made sure I still understand basic CPR,
- had a chat with some riding buddies about backing each other up

I was pleasantly comforted on arrival to see a competent medic in attendance.

If these bash events become too formally organised, I predict a slow demise, as everything provided will be chewed and spat out afterward by somebody that expected something else / better.

I, for one would then rather join the informal / unofficial / rogue bash events that is bound to take place.
.... and everything you mentioned would have been useless if you could not PHONE for an ambulance after you`ve been seriously injured !!!!  :eek7:  :eek7:  :eek7:

But I knew that up front and accepted the risk   ???

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #132 on: March 30, 2011, 05:09:55 pm »
Ek sal n volledige medical kit sponsor vir elke WD WC bash :mwink: Sal ook hervul wat gebruik is, dit SLUIT PYNPILLE UIT :thumleft: Hoop dit kan help.
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #133 on: March 30, 2011, 05:29:00 pm »
I had no expectation of medical support at the past event. This is how I prepared (and how I prepare for every trip):
- I had my ICE info,
- gave the place's co-ords, map printout, route and phone number to my wife (yes the number was on the thread).
- I packed a small medical trauma kit ( understand what is inside and how to use it)
- made sure I still understand basic CPR,
- had a chat with some riding buddies about backing each other up

I was pleasantly comforted on arrival to see a competent medic in attendance.

If these bash events become too formally organised, I predict a slow demise, as everything provided will be chewed and spat out afterward by somebody that expected something else / better.

I, for one would then rather join the informal / unofficial / rogue bash events that is bound to take place.
.... and everything you mentioned would have been useless if you could not PHONE for an ambulance after you`ve been seriously injured !!!!  :eek7:  :eek7:  :eek7:

But I knew that up front and accepted the risk   ???


Ons praat weer as ek jou in die stof optel - jy sal bid vir `n ambulans!!!
Dink bietjie realisties, tot die manne in die Dakar val hulle vrek -  jy is seker BETER!!!!  >:D  >:D
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #134 on: March 30, 2011, 05:36:20 pm »
Ons praat weer as ek jou in die stof optel - jy sal bid vir `n ambulans!!!
Dink bietjie realisties, tot die manne in die Dakar val hulle vrek -  jy is seker BETER!!!!  >:D  >:D

Hmmm, ek dog die Dakar is 'n wedren?  ???

Se my Karoodonkie, as jy met jou bike langpad ry, vat jy mediese backup saam? Ek is seker sommige ouens is deur trauma die naweek. Maar ons moet 'n tree teruggee en 'n bietjie nugter daaroor dink.

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #135 on: March 30, 2011, 05:39:48 pm »
I had no expectation of medical support at the past event. This is how I prepared (and how I prepare for every trip):
- I had my ICE info,
- gave the place's co-ords, map printout, route and phone number to my wife (yes the number was on the thread).
- I packed a small medical trauma kit ( understand what is inside and how to use it)
- made sure I still understand basic CPR,
- had a chat with some riding buddies about backing each other up

I was pleasantly comforted on arrival to see a competent medic in attendance.

If these bash events become too formally organised, I predict a slow demise, as everything provided will be chewed and spat out afterward by somebody that expected something else / better.

I, for one would then rather join the informal / unofficial / rogue bash events that is bound to take place.
.... and everything you mentioned would have been useless if you could not PHONE for an ambulance after you`ve been seriously injured !!!!  :eek7:  :eek7:  :eek7:

But I knew that up front and accepted the risk   ???


Ons praat weer as ek jou in die stof optel - jy sal bid vir `n ambulans!!!
Dink bietjie realisties, tot die manne in die Dakar val hulle vrek -  jy is seker BETER!!!!  >:D  >:D

Jy mis die punt heeltemal. As ek met jou stry, moet ek soos jy begin dink en dis nie moontlik nie.

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #136 on: March 30, 2011, 05:44:15 pm »
I had no expectation of medical support at the past event. This is how I prepared (and how I prepare for every trip):
- I had my ICE info,
- gave the place's co-ords, map printout, route and phone number to my wife (yes the number was on the thread).
- I packed a small medical trauma kit ( understand what is inside and how to use it)
- made sure I still understand basic CPR,
- had a chat with some riding buddies about backing each other up

This is the least every rider should do, solo or riding with a group.

The fact that you might be in an area where there is no cell phone reception is a risk you knowingly take.
If you do not want to take that risk do not go there - it is called CHOICE.

Yes it is crap if you are the one who falls and breaks something, but you still joined knowing the risks.

I guess from now on the first page of any organized ride or bash should be all the RISK DISCLAIMERS.
 

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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #137 on: March 30, 2011, 05:46:41 pm »
Ons praat weer as ek jou in die stof optel - jy sal bid vir `n ambulans!!!
Dink bietjie realisties, tot die manne in die Dakar val hulle vrek -  jy is seker BETER!!!!  >:D  >:D

Hmmm, ek dog die Dakar is 'n wedren?  ???

Se my Karoodonkie, as jy met jou bike langpad ry, vat jy mediese backup saam? Ek is seker sommige ouens is deur trauma die naweek. Maar ons moet 'n tree teruggee en 'n bietjie nugter daaroor dink.



Ag julle hou net van stry en bragg oor joe tough julle is , maar julle weet Karoodonkie is reg , as daar 120 plus bikers bymekaar is sonder 'n telefoon dan is die beslis 'n resep vir moeilikheid, en dit is heeltemal anders as wat dit net jy en jou buddies op 'n ride is.  So hou nou op om cowboys te speel en dink realisties  :deal: ;)

Ek dink by die volgende Bash sal die organiseerders 'n telefoon reel en met die naaste hospitaal reel dat hulle ten minste net weet van die Bash en weet hoe om by die Bash uit te kom  , dit sal stupid wees om dit nie te doen nie.
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #138 on: March 30, 2011, 05:51:04 pm »
Ek dink hierdie topic is deur en deur goed verkrag... En if anything...

Het dit die organiseerders van dič event, goed afgesit om toekomstig iets te reel...

Ek weet dit sou my.

F@k mense, join die local rolbal klub.. Jou odds is beter daar vir oorlewing..
Die probleem is eintlik net dat sekere mense onseker is van hul eie persoonlike limiete, en wil net die gerusstelling van n mediese persoon he om dit vir hom te bepaal... Kry sommer n ambulans naby as jy jou kind entertain op n swaai.... Accidents happen you know...
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Re: Medical Facilities at Bashes
« Reply #139 on: March 30, 2011, 05:51:33 pm »
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I guess from now on the first page of any organized ride or bash should be all the RISK DISCLAIMERS.

It usually is in any case.

Unfortunately in typical male biker fashion we all tend to overestimate our abilities.
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