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Offline StevenKTM

"Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« on: April 27, 2011, 04:37:44 pm »
A real adv bike is made to go in the dirt, and be just as capable on tar..right?

For a bike to be competent offroad, it needs a view basic things, good suspension, 21/18 wheels, good torque etc.

My friend recently contacted me, he has a HD xr1200, with a few offroad bits fitted, and he reckons once he has worked on the suspension etc. that it will be able to kick any ADV bikes ass, the XR1200 comes from a flat track racer background, which means it has allot of torque aswell.

So this got me thinking, if you buy a XR1200, fit it with WP suspension, and relace the rims..you would end up with a amazing ADV bike, for less than a GSA?
 

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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2011, 04:46:29 pm »
This is a sports tourer and a hell of an adventure to ride.

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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2011, 05:14:46 pm »
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 07:25:56 pm »
And a seriously ltd fuel range. The xr1200 hd is a really cool bike, that can be had for bargain prices as the regular hd riders don't care much for it; no shooting the brease rider posture
 

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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 07:47:47 pm »
The Xr1200 is a flattrackker which means that the suspension and geometry of for the chassis has been optimized for flat smooth gravel. The main problem with the XR1200 that I have seen is suspension travel. If you give the front and back enough travel then I think the bike will be a real hand full to ride.  Look at how long the HP2 is to get a bike with drive shaft enough travel and still a workable chassis.

He will have to work really hard to beat the current crop of ADV bikes. BMW, KTM, Yamaha and Honda have decades and millions of $ invested in research and development and the race success to prove it.

We get Jan on a HP2 and Alfie on a Super Enduro or a 990Adv and then he can choose anyone he wants on this FrankenHarley. It will make for an interesting race say from Vioolsdrif though Helsskloof pass to Alexanderbay.  :mwink:
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 08:00:14 pm »
The Xr1200 is a flattrackker which means that the suspension and geometry of for the chassis has been optimized for flat smooth gravel. The main problem with the XR1200 that I have seen is suspension travel. If you give the frond and back enough travel then I think the bike will be a real hand full to ride.  Look at how long the HP2 is to get a bike with drive shaft enough travel and still a workable chassis.

He will have to work really hard to beat the current crop of ADV bikes. BMW, KTM, Yamaha and Honda have decades and millions of $ invested in research and development and the race success to prove it.

We get Jan on a HP2 and Alfie on a Super Enduro or a 990Adv and then he can choose anyone he wants on this FrankenHarley. It will make for an interesting race say from Vioolsdrif though Helsskloof pass to Alexanderbay.  :mwink:

Heeha :pot:
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 09:02:56 pm »
The internet is full of info about converting the Harley XR1200 to an adv bike.  But I doubt if a converted bike to the extent it takes will ever produce the reliability of its commercially available counterparts.  I have seen an XR 1200 with KTM 530 front suspension and front shocks of a quad bike in the rear (dual rear shocks) and it seems to work well. 

And the performance of the XR1200 is not quite on par with the 990 Adv / 1200 GS figures.  If I wanted to build an unusual bike, a project like this would interest me more than trying to build something rideable from an R80.  But I don't have the time or the "gees", so I just have to put all my trust in the abilities of the European engineers.

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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 09:19:11 pm »
Capable looking bike.

"... something rideable from an R80."   That hurt !
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 09:31:38 pm »
Nope, you'll end up with a short arsed, hair singeing, expat hog... but it sure will go like smoke though... :)
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 09:36:15 pm »
No Jupiter, don't feel hurt. It is 2011. The 80 was great for its era but time has moved on.  I suppose it is the same as the Harley - you can build something really nice from them if you are really passionate - but will it beat the 2011 one that is already in the showroom?  And what will the cost be?  I still admire the people who take on these projects and the passion and commitment they put into them.   :thumleft:
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2011, 04:09:48 pm »
The R80 is actually VERY rideable......GKG 2011- an average of 1500km per attendee's (WC guys closer to 2000km) and not one trailer, back-up bakkie or serious mishaps.
More that can be said from a lot of other RR's that I've read.

Like Jay Leno said about the Y2K bike (to be related to R80G/S owners too) - It's like trying to explain sex to aliens............or you get it or you don't.  :biggrin: :thumleft:


BTW- the harley things looks cool, but seriously, what's the point of such a bike??
 

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2011, 06:00:21 pm »
+1000


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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2011, 06:09:41 pm »
it's all relative, no clear cut answers

you can have an adventure on any bike, ergo any bike can be an adventure bike. And you can probably convert any bike into a DS bike with enough money and effort.

I personally think that the best adventure bike is equipped with no less than a 400cc and no more than a 700cc engine, but that's just another opinion
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2011, 08:05:36 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 08:53:33 am »
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2011, 09:15:31 am »
it's all relative, no clear cut answers

you can have an adventure on any bike, ergo any bike can be an adventure bike. And you can probably convert any bike into a DS bike with enough money and effort.

I personally think that the best adventure bike is equipped with no less than a 400cc and no more than a 700cc engine, but that's just another opinion

+1 I agree, for once. Seriously, anything smaller will battle on long trips (>200 km) and probably be overstressed. Anything larger is overkill IMO and too heavy for offroad, even occasional offroad use.
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 08:17:57 am »
it's all relative, no clear cut answers

you can have an adventure on any bike, ergo any bike can be an adventure bike. And you can probably convert any bike into a DS bike with enough money and effort.

I personally think that the best adventure bike is equipped with no less than a 400cc and no more than a 700cc engine, but that's just another opinion

+1 I agree, for once. Seriously, anything smaller will battle on long trips (>200 km) and probably be overstressed. Anything larger is overkill IMO and too heavy for offroad, even occasional offroad use.

I agree
 

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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 09:05:08 am »
Did a two day ride on a XL500R from CT to PE last year going nowhere slowly. Great way to have an adventure. I recently bought the bike from another member and have a great time on it.
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2011, 01:04:20 pm »
mmm, ek het n Yamaha FJ1200 minus fairing wat in my garage staan... D/S projek miskien...???
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Re: "Sports Tourers" vs ADV bikes
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2011, 01:08:39 pm »
It will make for an interesting race say from Vioolsdrif though Helsskloof pass to Alexanderbay. 

Nah it wont. :P
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