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« on: May 03, 2011, 04:13:51 pm »
What would you want and pay for in an event like the Rallye Raid?

It started 5 years ago as the KTM Rallye Raid, and 2 years ago opened to all brands. The event is basically an offroad long weekend with three routes (tough, medium and easier) catering for DS bikes. The riding venues are SPECTACULAR.

Since 2007, the rides have become more technical over the years. The event venue has ranged from War Trail in the Lesotho foothills to Thomas River, and Catberg area. It costs around R3k to attend, for which you get food, rides, entertainment (not this year) and an opportunity to mingle with riding legends (also not this year)

What do you think the future of this sort of event holds, and what are your thoughts on cost, venue, expectations, entertainment, riding terrain, etcv etc.

I ask this because numbers have steadily dropped from around 300 (?) to just 127 this year.

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 04:22:28 pm »
I can do the riding bit with my mates, but they are stuckup :) so I go mingle at bashes. That is all i need, no Rally Raid or GS challenge or whatever required.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 10:40:04 pm »
Boils down to value or perceived value for money.
Are the organisers providing you with a "special" experience / service / advice / backup / Accommodation catering etc.

Compared to the Annual bash... I prefer the WD bashes only have to face the ugly farker for 2-3 days tops..  :biggrin:
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 07:36:15 am »
For me often the entry fee is a put off. I mean if you think of it R3000 is actually going to end up being R6000 and rest. Why you ask? well by the time you have paid for fuel,food enroute to the destination maybe a new tyre before you leave it all starts to add up pretty quick. IHMO for the kind of money you pay to attend these events you could go away and ride with 2 or three mates for a week or more and have an epic time for similer or less money. Also there is no preassure to be somewhere at a specific time etc etc. My 2 cents but R3000 is alot of money to go camping for a couple days with a few meals thrown in and the same goes for the BMW events especially the ECO!

Sorry to answer your question yes they are cool but IMO not really worth the money you pay to enter them
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 08:31:25 am »
you are quite right B/star. Actually its 3k to enter, 1.5k for gas, 1k for a knobbly, 1k for food/drinks, 2k to repair bike, 1k for bike service after the raid. Total for me this year: 9.5k  :eek7: :o
 

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 08:42:32 am »
For me often the entry fee is a put off. I mean if you think of it R3000 is actually going to end up being R6000 and rest. Why you ask? well by the time you have paid for fuel,food enroute to the destination maybe a new tyre before you leave it all starts to add up pretty quick. IHMO for the kind of money you pay to attend these events you could go away and ride with 2 or three mates for a week or more and have an epic time for similer or less money. Also there is no preassure to be somewhere at a specific time etc etc. My 2 cents but R3000 is alot of money to go camping for a couple days with a few meals thrown in and the same goes for the BMW events especially the ECO!

Sorry to answer your question yes they are cool but IMO not really worth the money you pay to enter them

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 10:28:57 am »
DS events like the Rallye Raid and the BMW GS Challenge are in my option commercially organised events, hence the apparent high fees.  The organisers' main aim is to show a profit after the event.

Whereas the Wild Dog Bashes, such as the EC WD Bash in two weeks time is organised purely as a non-profit thing, and the emphasize is rather placed on giving good quality DS entertainment and excitement at the best possible value for money.  Having successfully organised 3 past bashes here in the ECape, I can ensure you the WD bash events are more rewarding in the sense of forming friendships, bonding around a camp-fire somewhere in the bush, and enjoying a shared passion, namely adventure motorcycling - all done at the participant's own pace and time-scale.  And the number of participants indicate the success of a bash, in 2008 there were 74 participants, in 2009 there were 114.  At the moment the forthcoming 2011 bash has 91 names on the list.  Something must be right and to the liking of individuals that make them return each year!

I can assure you there are no financial gain to be made setting up and running an EC WD Bash (as proof - simply compare the asking fees of both types of events, and what you actually get for your money!)  Without going into any details,  the EC WD Bash organisers have in the past even been forced to subsidised the overall costs from personal funds - showing the level of commitment and the "love of the sport". 

So to answer your question.  Yes, IMHO DS Events are cool, provided they are not handicapped by commercialism.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 10:44:11 am »
What makesit a bargain in my book is the fact that we got to ride on (mega scenic) private property on marked routes (expensive exercise) with basic back up en-route at the tougher spots.

I cant put a price on that.

The RR is ready for a make over and I believe it is going to happen.

We were spoilt by the involvement of KTM SA in the first three RR's - I am sure 2012 will be new and memorable.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 10:45:12 am »
The idea of a DS event is cool, but in reality they're not that great .
 I don't like riding with hundreds of other people.
I don't like the 'organized' side of things - set meal times, set routes, etc.
Kinda defeats the purpose of getting away from it all on my bike.
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 10:48:36 am »
i prefer going on toer with a couple of close buds .... 3 clip buys me nigh on a week in moz or bots ....

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 10:52:15 am »
I would encourage a degree of 'commercialism' as long as it benefits the riders. Like having a dealer/workshop or two present to sort out mechanical issues as well as forum vendors providing kit on site. Let the guys advertise & sell stuff....its cool.

An idea i'm interested in...depending on location...is getting a few food vendors in to do the catering. At the Springbok Rally they had some really good inexpensive chuck wagons supplying wholesome chow morning day & night. This would be dependant upon numbers for it to be financially viable for the food vendor. The nice thing is you get to focus on drinking & chatting to your mates..... ;D

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What does the market want:
Balls to the wall DS riding
Enduro orientated
DS riding with some tech
Scenic tour with some tech
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All events seem to be mutating to what an organisor thinks the riders want...
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 11:16:49 am »

What does the market want:
Balls to the wall DS riding
Enduro orientated
DS riding with some tech
Scenic tour with some tech
?

I dunno Pete. I would imagine different folks want different events. I think all of them are cool. I'd certainly be interested in balls2wall DS (like Rallye Raid) and an enduro weekend would be AWESOME.

Mike tried to include "semi enduro" bikes 450 and above for route 1, which was basically an enduro track, un-rideable with bigger DS bikes, but there were only 6 takers.

As for commercialism, I think if you provide 3k worth of event, people would come. Perhaps this year the bucks have dried up for a lot of people, and mthere were aslso other things happening on that weekend.

For my money, I want excellent, challenging riding (tick), excellent venue (tick), excellent entertainment (no tick this year), excellent backup medics, rescue, mechanics and tyre dealers (no tick thjis year) and perhaps something different like the skills display of top riders (no tick this year)

There is no single event which will cater for everyone, and The Rallye Raid is not for the faint-hearted. Your bike WILL also get damaged.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 11:18:59 am »
Forgot to add...I haven't been to a bash yet (going to EC this yr), but I would imagine they are more about meeting and greeting than the riding?
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2011, 11:29:07 am »
Forgot to add...I haven't been to a bash yet (going to EC this yr), but I would imagine they are more about meeting and greeting than the riding?

Meet, greet, drink, eat, sleep, ride, repeat, go home.

Rallye Raid in you words will damage your bike. Bashes are not there for  damaging bikes. Its a social with rides thrown in.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2011, 11:33:04 am »
I very much enjoyed Rallye Raid last year, but the route marking was f.. up by the locals. We ended up doing less than half the total routes. The venue and the party is/was fantastic......
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2011, 11:33:38 am »
I very much enjoyed Rallye Raid last year, but the route marking was f.. up by the locals. We ended up doing less than half the total routes. The venue and the party is/was fantastic......

This year the marking was perfect  :thumleft:
 

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2011, 02:47:56 pm »
I think these events have passed their sell by date. The radical drop off in attendance this year is most probably more as a result of the economic situation, next year will most probably show an increase on this year but I doubt that it will go back to the sort of numbers experienced a few years ago. That is if it is kept in it's present format.
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2011, 02:56:59 pm »
I can go on a very long trip with R3000 thanks... :mwink:
 

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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2011, 03:05:41 pm »
DS events like the Rallye Raid and the BMW GS Challenge are in my option commercially organised events, hence the apparent high fees.  The organisers' main aim is to show a profit after the event.

I can't speak for the Rallye Raid but it is well known that the GS Challenge was run at an enormous loss since its inception.
I think it was thought that the losses could be absorbed by BMW until it turned a profit or broke even but in the end it was just not worth continuing with it. That and the fact that people were dying or injuring themselves every year.
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2011, 04:59:43 pm »
I can go on a very long trip with R3000 thanks... :mwink:

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