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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2011, 12:36:43 pm »
For somebody not trained for firearm combat situations I recommend taking a gun without any bullets.... Detergent

I once was attacked by a mob of tsotsies with pangas. They came quickly and screamed at me and my friend to lie down.  I dived to the side, pulled the .38 special from my pants, pointing it in their general direction and screamed with an allmighty voice: "Today I will kill all you Bliksems!". It worked like a charm! They ran away like rabbits.... Pulling the trigger to kill, that is a different story...
It happens VERY, VERY fast......no time to think

The suprise have to be in your favor and you have to look scary!  :biggrin:

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Like Bie said, if you pull it you must be prepared (and READY) to use it!  :deal:

Guys, this is a bit off topic I know.  :peepwall:

Shit can come in many forms and at any time and therefore I rather have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it. I do not intend to go on a shooting spree while riding, but like many said, being stranded next to the road or where you are camping ext. I ALWAYS have a firearm on me, why now leave it at home because I am riding a bike? It did save me in the past and that makes it worth to be armed for me (and not the way you think Stofdonkie!  :P )

The accepted stance of the police (and media) is that you should not resist an attack/attacker. They must go and tell that to everyone that was murdered while being tied up. It happens daily and it can happen anywhere.

Carrying a firearm is a HUGE responsibility. No one can say whether you must carry one or not. BUT if you do carry one PLEASE put in the effort and time and become proficient with it! Join a shooting club....  :thumleft:


If you are not prepared to go for training and to practice regularly you should not be carrying a firearm. Simply having a gun with you is not good enough!
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2011, 12:41:42 pm »
I've thought about carrying a gun while solo traveling but it always seems such a mission.
where do you leave the gun when you go for a shower or swim?
 

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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2011, 12:43:00 pm »
It's just very sad that we have to have this discussion. The day I feel I have to take a gat on a ride, is the day it's probably time to call it quits in SA. Seriously.
 

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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2011, 12:51:41 pm »
I've thought about carrying a gun while solo traveling but it always seems such a mission.
where do you leave the gun when you go for a shower or swim?

If there are no other options I swim with mine and take it into the shower. (No I REALLY do not think and hope I won't need it there but rather that than have it stolen!   :P  )  My firearm was 38m down with me on a scuba dive when there were no safe alternative.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2011, 01:00:11 pm »
I've thought about carrying a gun while solo traveling but it always seems such a mission.
where do you leave the gun when you go for a shower or swim?

If there are no other options I swim with mine and take it into the shower. (No I REALLY do not think and hope I won't need it there but rather that than have it stolen!   :P  )  My firearm was 38m down with me on a scuba dive when there were no safe alternative.

Thats my problem too - what to do with the gun all the time.

ZAR, how do you carry your gun while riding?

how do you prepare/oil it before going swimming with it and what do use to clean and lube it afterwards?
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2011, 01:09:05 pm »
Ironically I was thinking about it last night while planning an end of year anglo boer Battlefield tour. (no I'm a history nut, not a gun/war nut) Years back a chap with a knife tried to rob me at a battlefield outside Kimberley. Fortunately I managed to scare him off with a rock but it remained touch and go.

I decided that im going armed for those instances when I'm stranded at the side of the road or walking around alone on some isolated battlefield.

Pistol goes in tank bag and once stopped and the gloves are off it clips into the belt at the small of the back before I even get off.

Rather safe than sorry.

Also a wise man told me once (a single shot .22 in the pocket is still better protection than a .45 in the safe.)
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2011, 01:18:39 pm »
I've thought about carrying a gun while solo traveling but it always seems such a mission.
where do you leave the gun when you go for a shower or swim?

If there are no other options I swim with mine and take it into the shower. (No I REALLY do not think and hope I won't need it there but rather that than have it stolen!   :P  )  My firearm was 38m down with me on a scuba dive when there were no safe alternative.

Thats my problem too - what to do with the gun all the time.

ZAR, how do you carry your gun while riding?

how do you prepare/oil it before going swimming with it and what do use to clean and lube it afterwards?


I use it in a std holster on a belt over my riding pants. If you use a ballistic vest just make sure you have a belt that is long enough.  ;)

In water I do not have a problem, I have a plastic gun.  >:D The only rust I ever got on it was a small bit on the slide-release. But if you have one that can rust just pop it in a Zip-Lock bag.  :thumleft:  
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2011, 01:20:43 pm »
I use it in a std holster on a belt over my riding pants. If you use a ballistic vest just make sure you have a belt that is long enough.  ;)

In water I do not have a problem, I have a plastic gun.  >:D The only rust I ever got on it was a small bit on the slide-release. But if you have one that can rust just pop it in a Zip-Lock bag.  :thumleft:  

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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2011, 02:16:23 pm »
I don't carry, but I think it would be wise to in some circumstances.

How about a .22 Magnum revolver for carry:



Super concealable!

It's not just a SA thing, this carrying of firearms, about 60 years ago some Germans toured to Russia, Holland and France and they carried guns with them.

Oom Danie waar kom jy aan hierdie nonsens?!?!  :laughing4:
I think a MG 42 on a BMW sidecar will make a nice deterrent, but hardly qualifies as concealed!  ;D  ;D  ;D
 

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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2011, 02:39:47 pm »
Jy maak mense gewoonlik baie die donner in as jy hulle met daai goedjies skiet.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2011, 03:01:30 pm »
I don't carry, but I think it would be wise to in some circumstances.

How about a .22 Magnum revolver for carry:



Super concealable!




Any weapon is better than nothing. And Phumba said, a single shot .22 on you is better than a .45 ACP in the safe.

BUT

I am not going into details the best firearm (concealed) for self-defense is the BIGGEST one you are WILLING to carry ON you at ALL times!

I do not like the North American Arms .22lr and .22Mag. There are a few problems with it.
First one is mechanical/design problem. The hammer spring can get dislodged if the firearm is dropped. I had quite a few (more than 10?) customers that had this problem. Some of them said they dropped it others again dropped their handbags with the firearm in it.
Secondly it is a very small firearm to use and is single action (in other words the hammer needs to be cocked manually). Go and try that with one hand, take your time. Still lekker difficult, now try that when the chips are down and you are fighting for your life..............
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2011, 03:03:27 pm »
Jy maak mense gewoonlik baie die donner in as jy hulle met daai goedjies skiet.

'n Goed geplaasde .22lr is ernstig, dit is nie soos 'n 6,35mm (baby browning) nie.  :pot:  Weet van kopskote wat nie die skedel kon penetreer nie.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2011, 03:11:05 pm »
Dit was eintlik net 'n grap. 'n Gewone .22 koeeltjie op die regte plek laat val 'n slagos soos 'n leλ sak.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2011, 03:12:15 pm »
7.65 Walther PPK. Small but still has some stopping power, especially if the second,third and fourth rounds are hollow nose. Copper jacket on the first in case you have to waste it as a warning shot.
 

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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2011, 03:16:00 pm »
i have a Bernardelli mod.60 7.65mm. similar to Walther PPK. some say its not powerful enough, but its nice and compact.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2011, 03:18:48 pm »
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Weet van kopskote wat nie die skedel kon penetreer nie.

Seker nie die sneller hard genoeg getrek nie.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2011, 03:21:26 pm »
Snub nose .38spcl

Light,Easily concealed,easy to use,Decent Stopping power and if you let off a warning shot its farking loud.

Guys the consensus seems to be 50/50. For me personally it has unfortunately got to that stage where carrying a firearm when traveling is a must. In all honesty its been like that for a while. What ever you decide to do just keep vigilint and be constantly aware of your surroundings. A switched on oke will 90% of the time see some kark coming and move away long before and shit can go down.

Its a sad reality :'( but reality non the less
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2011, 03:22:52 pm »
Carrying a gun makes me nervous.
That is why I dont carry one.

It robs me of joy.
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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2011, 03:24:34 pm »
OK, so it's a personal decision and the consensus is around 50/50 so now tell us where or how you carry when riding. ( Those of the other 50 of course )
 

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Re: To go Armed or Not?
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2011, 03:25:59 pm »
OK, so it's a personal decision and the consensus is around 50/50 so now tell us where or how you carry when riding. ( Those of the other 50 of course )
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