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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #280 on: February 23, 2012, 11:24:09 am »
I hope COSATU keeps driving the objection to these tolls. They are the only ones with a big enough clout to organise protests and disruptions etc. I would also be keen to join any action that they organise as a sign of protest.

If EVERYONE, or even a large minority simply refused to pay, what could they do?  They don't have the infrastructure to deal with more than 10% non compliance from my info.  How can any government implement something in the face of mass revolt?

Its very simple IMO.  DONT GET AN ETAG WHATEVER YOU DO.  Tell all your friends to do the same.  Oppose the "well its the right thing to do because its the law" nay sayers by voicing your opinion.  Explain that you dont HAVE to just let the government get away with something that is patently unjust and not in the interests of ordinary motorists.

One person refusing to pay all alone is a fraud, a whole lot of people refusing to pay is a protest.

They rely on our meek compliance to their endless schemes for an ever larger portion of our take home pay.  At what point are we finally going to say NO?

Its up to us to stand firm and not wait for someone else to fight this battle for us IMO.

Well said - lets start a list voicing who is not going to pay - a pledge
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #281 on: February 23, 2012, 11:24:30 am »
I agree with you guys up there in Vaalie land , Fuck them!!

Check the scheme they're trying to pull in the Tsitikama. N2 tolroad.
You have to pay tol or use an alternative route, which washed away almost 10 years ago. The Bloukrans pass has been repaired on the WC side but not on the EC side. Now you must pay tol to pay for the repairs on the alternative route.

Both roads are now tolled, sorry sir the other road is now thw R62, feel fre to go all the way back to Kareedouw and then to Plett, which is actually only 40K's away.

Tolling should be stop, PERIOD!

What happens to our fuel levies? If it is not enough, say so we'll all pay more on prove of where the money goes to.

Not the road accident fund.

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #282 on: February 23, 2012, 11:28:12 am »
some say the facebook groups have no purpose - I don't agree!
The purpose that facebook has, is to inform people of the 'merits' of the argument against e-tolling and to show them that others are also enraged - social media is a powerful tool to get people to voice their anger, whether the anger translates into action, is anyone's guess....
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #283 on: February 23, 2012, 11:42:55 am »
not that it's relevant, but I wonder why they reduced cars toll by 25% and bikes by only 16% - they must think bikers are whoosies or a minority that can be abused..... let's see.....
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #284 on: February 23, 2012, 12:04:54 pm »
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AS JY OOR DIE BOERE WIL KLA MOET NIE MET N MOND VOL KOS PRAAT NIE!!!!
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #285 on: February 23, 2012, 12:08:53 pm »
Scratch that, made a typo  :lamer:
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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #286 on: February 23, 2012, 12:18:16 pm »
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And I will also not have a number plate when driving on those roads.

I've gleaned a bit of info about how these gantries actually work.  They dont just take a photo of your numberplate,  but form a 3D image of your vehicle as it passes through.  That way they can tell if you are a truck vs a motorbike.

They have also stated in reply to people asking "what happens if someone steals my number plate", that they will be able to easily detect that.  

IMO they might be able to do that by using "face recognition software" in which they will recognise your vehicle from previous 3D images.  Face recognition (or more accurately pattern recognition) software is well established and used widely already in casinos, security camera systems etc - most little point and shoot camera's come with it installed.  All this means that once they match your vehicle to the number plate once - which has probably already happened seeing as the gantries have been up and semi-operational for a few months already, they will know who you are, especially if you have a distinctive vehicle, even if you take the number plate off.  They will also know when its on the wrong car.  

Just a guess, but not too wild a guess I think!
  
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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #287 on: February 23, 2012, 12:22:49 pm »
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And I will also not have a number plate when driving on those roads.

I've gleaned a bit of info about how these gantries actually work.  They dont just take a photo of your numberplate,  but form a 3D image of your vehicle as it passes through.  That way they can tell if you are a truck vs a motorbike.

They have also stated in reply to people asking "what happens if someone steals my number plate", that they will be able to easily detect that.  

IMO they might be able to do that by using "face recognition software" in which they will recognise your vehicle from previous 3D images.  Face recognition (or more accurately pattern recognition) software is well established and used widely already in casinos, security camera systems etc - most little point and shoot camera's come with it installed.  All this means that once they match your vehicle to the number plate once - which has probably already happened seeing as the gantries have been up and semi-operational for a few months already, they will know who you are, especially if you have a distinctive vehicle, even if you take the number plate off.  They will also know when its on the wrong car.  

Just a guess, but not too wild a guess I think!
  

I doubt it's that high-tech.... and often when people duplicate plates, they duplicate that of the same model and colour car

A car can't be like a finger print, neither bikes - how many silver 1200GS on the road?
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #288 on: February 23, 2012, 12:48:22 pm »
Just heard a silly piece on the radio.

With the state now partly sponsoring, the projected income is down to 2 billion. But the collection cost stays the same at 1 billion.

Now is that not silly. Spend 1 to collect 2. There are other more efficient ways of funding those roads.

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #289 on: February 23, 2012, 12:56:03 pm »
Just heard a silly piece on the radio.

With the state now partly sponsoring, the projected income is down to 2 billion. But the collection cost stays the same at 1 billion.

Now is that not silly. Spend 1 to collect 2. There are other more efficient ways of funding those roads.

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Kobus, I'm quite sure that the ratio is even worse, more like SPEND 4 TO COLLECT 5

It's crazy and the only groups that are not admitting it, is Govt/Sanral, because they mismanaged and misappropriated funds
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #291 on: February 23, 2012, 01:31:13 pm »
Oooh, my crystal ball is very clear on this issue: the e-tag toll will be capped at R550/month, until most drivers/companies have enrolled, then will balloon to R5500/month...   Ben Dover will be in charge.
 

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #293 on: February 23, 2012, 01:43:50 pm »
Jis maar hierdie dom fokkers hou aan om kak te praat.

They can threaten all they like.  If nobody registers and nobody pays, then they will have to start listening.  FUCK THEM!
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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #294 on: February 23, 2012, 01:59:19 pm »
Jis maar hierdie dom fokkers hou aan om kak te praat.

They can threaten all they like.  If nobody registers and nobody pays, then they will have to start listening.  FUCK THEM!

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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #295 on: February 23, 2012, 09:57:53 pm »
The govmnt still doesn't get the message..............this isn't Europe, and even there they've had limited success with e-tags..

We need to keep on resisting. COSATU is going ahead with a strike and demonstrations.
If we refuse to buy e-tags (and I'd like to see how they hope to enforce that!), the whole system will collapse.

The fuel levy was supposed to have paid for road infrastructure. Why can't they ring fence that income?? Because the bastards are spending it on all sorts of other things! That is why the info bill is being forced through - they will then be able to hide all their unauthorised expenditure under the pretext of it being secret. Anything that will potentially embarass the ANC will be labelled secret!
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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #296 on: February 25, 2012, 08:04:43 am »
one thing that all have forgotten and i want to point out is that the prev regime stopped using the petrol levy to fund roads, around the time they put petrol up to give civil servants an increase.. the previous regime stopped road maintenance cos funds were needed elsewhere ...so the current regime just continued and that my friends is why the roads are in the condition they are to start with.... the money was long diverted and so cannot easily be rediverted i guess................ now none of the above makes much dif to what i feel around it but fairs fair on blame and the starting of trends...........

i see no mention made around the forms u have to fill in to give sanral access to all your finances and on that point i still wont buy an etag and will try hard as possible to stay off freeways still.... lucky my commute dont include hways
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Re: No2Tolls
« Reply #297 on: February 25, 2012, 11:34:01 am »
one thing that all have forgotten and i want to point out is that the prev regime stopped using the petrol levy to fund roads, around the time they put petrol up to give civil servants an increase.. the previous regime stopped road maintenance cos funds were needed elsewhere ...so the current regime just continued and that my friends is why the roads are in the condition they are to start with.... the money was long diverted and so cannot easily be rediverted i guess................ now none of the above makes much dif to what i feel around it but fairs fair on blame and the starting of trends...........

i see no mention made around the forms u have to fill in to give sanral access to all your finances and on that point i still wont buy an etag and will try hard as possible to stay off freeways still.... lucky my commute dont include hways

the new regime saw it fit to change many things the previous regime did, why not this as well?

sorry, no get out of jail card from me....