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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2007, 02:39:10 pm »
So, none of this kinda stuff:


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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 02:43:17 pm »
Good question Watty. Maybe Sir Gravellot could answer that question. I know that if you want to take a trailbike into Nature Conservation the rule of thumb is 96 decibels. That is very very low. Mrs. Trailriders NXR125 complies to that. I rode her bike up to 50m from a Bushbuck before it heard me.

My guess would be that a standard bike would "sound" OK, while a performance exhaust would be a definite no no. Paramed would never make it...  :roll:  :D
 

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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 02:47:22 pm »
Growweblaar - that's why all bikes are now banned. Playing is lekke and fine, but surely not in a Nature Conservation area...

Actually, that's unfair towards MX bikes. I am of the opinion that the Quad guys are solely responsible for the Hell debacle and when they got banned they said "but what about the bikers?"

I don't know of a single good thing that came of quads. They just Fcuk up everything for all of us.  :evil:
 

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 03:21:49 pm »
Quads and bikes? WTF????

Quads YES,YES,YES, they are recreational toys like a jetski, they have no palce in the Hell or any other reserve, bikes? What bikes? Bliksem you can't generelize on bikes, MX, enduro small cc bikes is the same as quads and don't belong near the Hell, but DS bikes is your mode of transport.


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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 03:27:54 pm »
maybe we should all (and i mean all) email them and ask them for the reason :-)
 

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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2007, 03:31:38 pm »
You get portable decibel meters - sound engineers use them (some of them anyway) while doing live sound.

They might (if they are clever) use one of them...


I am also a little anti quad (as far as nature is concerned anyway).

As usual it isn't the law abiding people that's the problem, but I've seen quads (and yes jetski's also) that just went mothering into public places with absolutely no respect for people, property or nature. Go play where its safe. (or where people have made space for it).
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2007, 03:34:37 pm »
We talking about this all over the forums.

But this point must be made.
Michnus, you would support a quad ban, and so would most people, but this is where it backfires.
As soon as you support ONE form of ban its too easy for them to push it and change it to all bikes.
So you say offroad bikes must be banned next, then its DS bikes.

People should be stopped from doing this, dont ban the vehicle.
 

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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2007, 03:35:40 pm »
Bobnob we know the reason, it is because they make decisions based on wrong perception.
Why must a normal DS guy on a trip be banned over a holiday period?

We need to send them e-mails explaining the difference to them between quads and bikes.

One thing I can tell you, is people come to visit over holidays with their quads and MX bikes, make shit because they don't stay here and bugger off home and think like a ostrich with the head in the sand that's it over and forgotten.

They blast past rural houses and bugger the environment up and then go back to their big city houses as if everything is still okay.

Everytime I see pics of okes like this in the veld far from home, I understand the strings get shorter until all off road gets banned.

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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2007, 03:38:08 pm »
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maybe we should all (and i mean all) email them and ask them for the reason :-)


Let me just try and get my permission before you aggravate them...
 

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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2007, 03:40:36 pm »
If you want to ban loud fast offroad vehicles, say that you only allow road legal bikes.
But thats not going to stop some chop on a KLR (cos they are blerrie fast) or HP2 with Akras from going in there and ripping the dirt!
Its a sad situation I have no solution for, apart from ban all or ban none.
 

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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2007, 03:47:22 pm »
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Growing up in PE my best mates dad was the light house keeper there. He had an old XL 125 and I had a Suzuki RV90. We had free-roam of the area and there were plenty paths to play on. I spent many a weekend staying with him. As you approach the lighthouse there are 2 buildings to the right of it. The building furthest to the right was their house......Good times


This could be weird - Was your mate's name Keith ?
 

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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2007, 03:49:40 pm »
I belong to the Mountain club and we allowed into private areas others would not have a chance in 'hell' to get to.Simply because we built up a relationship with the various owners.

The hike leaders makes damn sure he knows what the rules are and that all members abide by them,hence we keep our fragile arrangement in place.

Now I'm all for free riding and get-up-and-go but there are times that we need to do things properly,organised and abide by their rules.
Still fairly new to this forum but I gather that we decent blokes (no snikkering here pls :lol: ) ,so I strongly urge that we use the wild dog name to our advantage.
Pre-arrange a ride,let them kw when how many etc and they will see that WD are  good okes.

certain sensitive areas would require the 'blessing' of the WD's before venturing there under our banner.

I say use what we have -so far our name is not complete shit!!
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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2007, 04:06:44 pm »
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Its a sad situation I have no solution for, apart from ban all or ban none.

It's pretty easy to ban Kwats and MX bikes without falling into the trap you caution against.
Simply outlaw non-street legal machines on the premises. Quads and MX bikes are breaking the law whenever they ride on anything other than a track or private land anyway
 

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« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2007, 04:07:33 pm »
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If you want to ban loud fast offroad vehicles, say that you only allow road legal bikes.


It might not be a perfect solution but it will go a long way.
 

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2007, 04:14:36 pm »
Ya guys every time i hear this phrase "NO BIKES ALLOWED" i start boiling with anger.

My KLR is tame slow and not noisy at all. It 100% roadworthy even a clean numberplate and all. How can they ban me from some places. I don't even know how to pop a wheely.  :lol:

Eisbein, that sound meter idea sounds good, but they can't do it in the hell. The results will change every day. Sound pressure level measurement needs to be done in a controlled manner as you know.

I say they should allow all roadworthy bikes. Because they should all be quiet anyway. As for ripping up the road. I can do more damage with an old 2.4Diesel Toyota than with my KLR. :lol:


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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2007, 04:31:44 pm »
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Growing up in PE my best mates dad was the light house keeper there. He had an old XL 125 and I had a Suzuki RV90. We had free-roam of the area and there were plenty paths to play on. I spent many a weekend staying with him. As you approach the lighthouse there are 2 buildings to the right of it. The building furthest to the right was their house......Good times


This could be weird - Was your mate's name Keith ?


His name was Henry Clapton, I still see him on a regular basis as we both live in Cape Town now.
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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2007, 07:42:27 pm »
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Its a sad situation I have no solution for, apart from ban all or ban none.

It's pretty easy to ban Kwats and MX bikes without falling into the trap you caution against.
Simply outlaw non-street legal machines on the premises. Quads and MX bikes are breaking the law whenever they ride on anything other than a track or private land anyway

And allow HP2's , KTM 950 SE's , Husky TE610's

I can cause the same amount of kak on those.
 

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« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2007, 08:07:38 pm »
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maybe we should all (and i mean all) email them and ask them for the reason :-)


Let me just try and get my permission before you aggravate them...


i'm not talking aggravate them - i'm say that if we can show them how big the bike market is they might think twice about the ban - with the large amount of business they will be losing

i'm saying people should plan trips and request bike access

if a thousand people plan a trip over a year period they might think to reconsider...
 

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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2007, 08:18:02 pm »
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maybe we should all (and i mean all) email them and ask them for the reason :-)


Let me just try and get my permission before you aggravate them...


i'm not talking aggravate them - i'm say that if we can show them how big the bike market is they might think twice about the ban - with the large amount of business they will be losing

i'm saying people should plan trips and request bike access

if a thousand people plan a trip over a year period they might think to reconsider...


It might also hasten (sp) the ban. Ignorance and not knowing better.

Remember. For the, dare I say, average citizen out there, biking still have a negative connectation. A more structured approached might yield better results?
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2007, 08:30:48 pm »
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And allow HP2's , KTM 950 SE's , Husky TE610's

I can cause the same amount of kak on those.


Yes you could, but I doubt the average HP2 , KTM 950 SE or Husky TE610 rider is type type of guy that would go to Gamkaskloof in a group of 20 with a truckload of brannas & coke causing kaark  :?: