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Offline Riebeek

No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« on: September 14, 2011, 12:55:31 pm »
Please keep this threat topical and to the point with as far as possible objective.

If we can list enough objective reasons for the move to ban grey imports we can start a petition on Avaaz. I wanted to send them the info but it is better to get it off the ground if we can list the reasons for the grey import market being a good thing.

Also, I'm not against change, maybe instead of a total ban, the importers should have to provide a warranty of some sort on bikes and spares - possibly just ting in to the consumer act 

I know Track & Tar will have to close their door. Megabike et al.

For consistency please place your comments under one or all of the following headings:

 - Reason(s) grey imports are important to South Africa
 - Reason(s) grey imports are bad for South Africa
 - Suggestions to make the grey import market better

Thank you.

Link to post about Business Day news:
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New standards to affect ‘grey’ motorcycle importers

National Regulator for Compulsory Specifications has published a list of compulsory minimum standards for motor-cycles
ALEXANDER PARKER
Published: 2011/09/13 08:13:42 AM
THE National Regulator for Compulsory Specifications (NRCS) has published a list of compulsory minimum standards for motor-cycles, probably the deciding blow in a years-long wrangle for control of the motorcycle market between factory-approved motorcycle importers and dealers, and independent parallel, or "grey" importers.

The new standards will have a severe effect on parallel motorcycle importers, as it will be impossible to homologate such products to the new local standards. As a result of the compulsory standards, the NRCS is allowed to call for a certificate of compliance to the new compulsory standards, which the parallel importers will not be in a position to provide. This certificate is provided by the manufacturer.

Rehaan Coetzee, director of the Association of Motorcycle Importers and Distributors (Amid), said the new standards were all related to safety-critical components on motorcycles. "So that means lights, brakes and emissions control," Mr Coetzee said last week.

"We’ve been agitating for this for more than two years. We’re very happy. It makes the consumer safer. We’re very excited about the compulsory standards."

Mr Coetzee said previous safety standards on motorcycles were voluntary. Amid speaks on behalf of factory-approved dealers, importers and distributors.

Riaan Fourie, national sales manager at Honda SA, said the published compulsory standards were "really good news".

"Approved distributors can support customers and look after them properly. It’s great news for customers," Mr Fourie said.

However, for the parallel (grey) importers, whom the factories will not furnish with proof of compliance, the news is very serious indeed.

"I won’t be able to carry on importing," said Chris Havvas, who owns Megabike in Randburg.

"We won’t be able to offer the prices we’ve been offering for 15 years." Mr Havvas said he had been in business for 34 years and "a parallel importer for 15 years".

"I have been able to sell a top-end bike for R30000 to R40000 cheaper than the dealers and still make a profit. We’ve forced the importers to keep their prices down."

Mr Havvas said Amid had been trying to close his business for years. "If I told you the lengths they have gone to shut me down you’d say I was making it up."

He said the news was "of no surprise", and that the likelihood was that he would "probably close down" his business with the loss of "a few" jobs. "And I’m not the only guy in the game," he said.

Mr Havvas said the result of the new regulations would mean "prices will go up. There’ll be no more competition any more. The consumer will end up paying more."

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2011, 12:58:58 pm »
"So that means lights, brakes and emissions control," Mr Coetzee said last week.


...and we can't wait to rip it all off & farkle....what a load of crap. So the dealers don't sell aftermarket products as well now...it must be branded?
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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2011, 01:01:27 pm »
Don't the bikes come from the same factory, so the specs should be the same?
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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2011, 01:02:26 pm »
Different countries have diff specs.....but its largely semantics?
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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2011, 01:11:34 pm »
Don't the bikes come from the same factory, so the specs should be the same?
yes... but as stated... KTM will only certify the local official agents bikes. Same goes for all the other brands. In effect grey imports were "second hand" in the sense that they were never bought directly from the factory but via overseas dealers.
On one hand I understand but on the other it will take away competition, all the grey imports that were brand new were just as safe as the one from the official dealer.  :deal:
But many a grey importer rarely imported spares or honored any warranty either. :patch:
I hope the dealers will not take this as carte blanche to raise prices. ::)
 

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 01:13:02 pm »
I am afraid I agree with mr Havvas, if it were not for the Chinese and Cayenne in Kayalami I am sure A: we would not have the XR650L here and B: Sure as hell not at R50K brand new.
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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 01:16:44 pm »
Klink my n paar manne wil die Monopoly weer terug he.

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 01:22:17 pm »
I HATE it when something gets done because people want to have the only control for their own business and then try and spin it like a thing that is good for the consumer.

Bullshit - they want control and no competition. They should say so.

Its like Vodacom who said the BB 100MB / month cap is 'better for the consumer', but studies showed that over 60 000 BB users on their network in SA are averaging over 100MB / month.


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No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 01:48:12 pm »
Please keep this threat topical and to the point with as far as possible objective.

If we can list enough objective reasons for the move to ban grey imports we can start a petition on Avaaz. I wanted to send them the info but it is better to get it off the ground if we can list the reasons for the grey import market being a good thing.

Also, I'm not against change, maybe instead of a total ban, the importers should have to provide a warranty of some sort on bikes and spares - possibly just ting in to the consumer act  ???

I know Track & Tar will have to close their door. Megabike et al.

For consistency please place your comments under one or all of the following headings:

 - Reason(s) grey imports are important to South Africa
 - Reason(s) grey imports are bad for South Africa
 - Suggestions to make the grey import market better

Thank you.

Link to post about Business Day news:
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=78428.0;topicseen

Link to Business Day
http://www.businessday.co.za/Articles/Content.aspx?id=153234
« Last Edit: September 14, 2011, 01:53:47 pm by Inprogress »
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Re: No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 01:54:50 pm »
If we can list enough objective reasons for the move to ban grey imports we can start a petition on Avaaz.
Sorry for my sarcasm but good luck with that. :mwink:
You would have to change legislation from what I see. :deal:
 

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Re: No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 02:06:22 pm »
If we can list enough objective reasons for the move to ban grey imports we can start a petition on Avaaz.
Sorry for my sarcasm but good luck with that. :mwink:
You would have to change legislation from what I see. :deal:

Juju makes noise and seems to get paid for it, I'm gonna try it too  ;)
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Re: No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2011, 02:06:50 pm »
If the dealers gave realistic prices,then there would be fewer 'grey' importers

personally i am all for them :thumleft:
 

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Re: No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2011, 02:12:03 pm »
If the dealers gave realistic prices,then there would be fewer 'grey' importers

personally i am all for them :thumleft:
The new CPA actually forces grey importers to offer the same service as other dealers.
This is another case of duplicate legislation it seems.
 

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2011, 02:25:09 pm »

Rehaan Coetzee, director of the Association of Motorcycle Importers and Distributors (Amid), said the new standards were all related to safety-critical components on motorcycles. "So that means lights, brakes and emissions control," Mr Coetzee said last week.

"We’ve been agitating for this for more than two years. We’re very happy. It makes the consumer safer. We’re very excited about the compulsory standards."

Maybe I can submit a claim to KTM SA for selling me a bike with poor lighting :pot:
 

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2011, 02:35:06 pm »
ah  free market economy . SA style ... bunch of blerry  mafioso's 

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 02:42:04 pm »
this is terrible news for the consumer. Now if a manufacturer doesn't deem South Africa a big enough market, we're simply not going to see certain bikes, and importing them "grey" will not be an option.

I guess my Kawasaki W650 just became ultra-rare. Ah yes, the W series - a bike NOT IMPORTED because KAWASAKI who also import TRIUMPH know that the W will outsell the Bonneville - screw the consumer!

OOPS

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2011, 02:44:13 pm »
this is terrible news for the consumer. Now if a manufacturer doesn't deem South Africa a big enough market, we're simply not going to see certain bikes, and importing them "grey" will not be an option.

I guess my Kawasaki W650 just became ultra-rare. Ah yes, the W series - a bike NOT IMPORTED because KAWASAKI who also import TRIUMPH know that the W will outsell the Bonneville - screw the consumer!

OOPS

Bunch of muppets.
and they have no stock of air filters for the KLR currently... was told by the agents I should fit after market at twice the price or wait 12 weeks... ::)
 

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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2011, 02:45:40 pm »
Greys maak vir goeie kompetisie...
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Re: No more grey imports - Business Day
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2011, 02:56:14 pm »
Devil's advocate...but the local guys do a lot to promote/advertise/grow the brand. The "grey" guys can sell cheaper cos they don't have to (they piggy back).

Maybe there's 2 sides to the story.
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Re: No more grey imports - Why it should stay
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2011, 02:59:24 pm »
2 sides to the story.

We moan about "grey's" because they don't carry warranties. However, that's what makes them cheaper.

They piggy back on marketing of local guys (save a lot of money that way).

Most spare parts probably carried by locally supplied shops (also costs money).

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