Author Topic: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's) (Read 37075 times)

DeepBass9 · « **Reply #480 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:24:43 am »

The bike looks awesome. The only thing I find a bit irksome to the eye is the yellow reflectors on the forks and swingarm?

Wildcoast · « **Reply #481 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:32:22 am »

Yeah they will be going, want to actually make up some white fork protectors to "fatten " up the front end a bit, still have to do the wheel areas, so will be re-coating spokes, spraying swing arm, checking bearings and bushes etc...... Not done yet.....

DeepBass9 · « **Reply #482 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:36:32 am »

Why not get the whole disc and fork protector like on my bike, it is available still from suppliers, and looks very cool, especially with the white theme on your bike...

Wildcoast · « **Reply #483 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:38:36 am »

I may just do that, any idea on the cost?

DeepBass9 · « **Reply #484 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:48:52 am »

$70 + Shipping looks like : http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html

Sorry to damage your credit card by sending you to THAT page, just too many farkles all in one place!

Wildcoast · « **Reply #485 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:54:36 am »

Did the post 96 ones fit? If so it will have to wait for phase 2 of my re-build, ie. when I sail and make some more bucks again

I damaged my card recently at pro-cycle with my tank, vapour etc

DeepBass9 · « **Reply #486 on:** February 01, 2012, 08:57:49 am »

My bike came with them, I'm not sure if they are original or the post '96s. They are just held on by cable ties so if the forks and discs are the same diameter I can't see why they wouldn't?

Veemax · « **Reply #487 on:** February 01, 2012, 09:03:31 am »

I've been to my workshop and measured both old/new DR's lower stanchions at 51-52 mm , but that's where the similarity ends.

Wildcoast · « **Reply #488 on:** February 01, 2012, 09:05:54 am »

I will pooratech PVC it for now, will prob use the same for a tool tube.

volroom · « **Reply #489 on:** February 01, 2012, 11:14:14 am »

Quote from: lecap on January 31, 2012, 11:44:49 pm

Quote from: volroom on January 31, 2012, 12:41:02 pm
...Got a question there about sprocket size. This is the issue it seems: I got a DID 525 V8 chain with the bike when I bought it, separate in box, brand new. GREAT!

Now, I have to replace sprockets and tyres. I'm asking the guys at chaintech what sprockets I should buy. They say the 1993 DR650 should take a 520 chain. I need to do some kind of conversion for it to take a 525 chain and sprockets...Here's their reply:

"A 525 pitch conversion means, you get the part number of the sprocket your bike takes with its specific measurements and splines and bolt holes, then you take those specs and match it up according to a 525 pitch. Standard, the bike comes out in a 520 pitch and I have just tried to find matching measurements in a 525 and there is no part numbers with the same measurements. I can help you with 520 pitch sprockets and chain. That means you HAVE to use a 520 pitch chain as well.!"

Does anyone know anything about pitch and what not above here? You telling me that my brand new DID chain does not fit my bike?

First: DID 525 V8 chain & GREAT! are two things rather far apart from each other: The reason why you got it with your bike was because some smartie knew it's a shite chain with a proven track record of snapping way before reaching its wear limit and without warning. The chain came new fitted to a DR650SE (probably the bike the previous owner of your bike replaced yours with).
He did the sensible thing (like me) and took the chain off the brand new bike and fitted something decent like a DID VX. Then he did the not so sensible and gave it to you making you believe you snapped up a bargain

Now go and give it to someone you don't like

520, 525, 530, 532 and 50 chains all share the same pitch (distance from pin centreline to pin centreline). It is 5/8" or 15.88mm.
The difference lies in the chains gauge (basically the thickness of the sprockets) which is:
520: 1/4" = 6.35mm
525: 5/16" = 7.94mm
530, 532 and 50: 3/8" = 9.5mm
532 being some "extra heavy duty" stuff uses proprietary sprockets due to its unique (larger than all other 5/8" pitch chains) roller diameter. It is externally almost identical to a 530 and 50

630 (3/4"x3/8") 19.05mm x 9.5mm was a chain used for some heavy late 70's two wheeled sows like Katanas and CB750KZ

Long story short: Just get the 520 chain annd sprockets for your bike. The 525 gauge sprockets of the DR650SE 1996 and later might fit (it does work the other way around).

OK, so the pitch is not the problem. 525 chain would fit post 96 sprockets - thickness wise? So, if I would want to keep the chain, I'd have to get hold of post 96 sprockets - right?

Veemax · « **Reply #490 on:** February 01, 2012, 05:53:51 pm »

Oh, I nearly forgot to post my annoying pic taken by the missus yesterday , she on her Xlx350R and me on my "other" , much forgotten DR, at our favourite spot on the south peninsula. Note use of backlight to obscure my handsome features in an appropriate forum-paranoid way.

I'm heading off tomorrow down here in CT to help Wildcoast secure his exhaust , with my 94 DR as a mobile jig. Geoff is an amazing guy he remembered me from about 5 years ago , he must see many bikers every day.

I'll take my camera and by tomorrow afternoon should be able to post pics of WC's zorst on my bike , wish us luck.

volroom · « **Reply #491 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:13:14 am »

aaaarrghhhh! another one... One day, I'll return.

volroom · « **Reply #492 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:27:07 am »

Quote from: lecap on January 31, 2012, 11:44:49 pm

Quote from: volroom on January 31, 2012, 12:41:02 pm
...Got a question there about sprocket size. This is the issue it seems: I got a DID 525 V8 chain with the bike when I bought it, separate in box, brand new. GREAT!

Now, I have to replace sprockets and tyres. I'm asking the guys at chaintech what sprockets I should buy. They say the 1993 DR650 should take a 520 chain. I need to do some kind of conversion for it to take a 525 chain and sprockets...Here's their reply:

"A 525 pitch conversion means, you get the part number of the sprocket your bike takes with its specific measurements and splines and bolt holes, then you take those specs and match it up according to a 525 pitch. Standard, the bike comes out in a 520 pitch and I have just tried to find matching measurements in a 525 and there is no part numbers with the same measurements. I can help you with 520 pitch sprockets and chain. That means you HAVE to use a 520 pitch chain as well.!"

Does anyone know anything about pitch and what not above here? You telling me that my brand new DID chain does not fit my bike?

First: DID 525 V8 chain & GREAT! are two things rather far apart from each other: The reason why you got it with your bike was because some smartie knew it's a shite chain with a proven track record of snapping way before reaching its wear limit and without warning. The chain came new fitted to a DR650SE (probably the bike the previous owner of your bike replaced yours with).
He did the sensible thing (like me) and took the chain off the brand new bike and fitted something decent like a DID VX. Then he did the not so sensible and gave it to you making you believe you snapped up a bargain

Now go and give it to someone you don't like

520, 525, 530, 532 and 50 chains all share the same pitch (distance from pin centreline to pin centreline). It is 5/8" or 15.88mm.
The difference lies in the chains gauge (basically the thickness of the sprockets) which is:
520: 1/4" = 6.35mm
525: 5/16" = 7.94mm
530, 532 and 50: 3/8" = 9.5mm
532 being some "extra heavy duty" stuff uses proprietary sprockets due to its unique (larger than all other 5/8" pitch chains) roller diameter. It is externally almost identical to a 530 and 50

630 (3/4"x3/8") 19.05mm x 9.5mm was a chain used for some heavy late 70's two wheeled sows like Katanas and CB750KZ

Long story short: Just get the 520 chain annd sprockets for your bike. The 525 gauge sprockets of the DR650SE 1996 and later might fit (it does work the other way around).

At Suzuki they seem to think the 525 chain will work with 525 sprockets. If they say so, I'll order and if they don't fit it's their problem. I don't feel like forking out R900 for a chain right now. Have to get new tyres, and do a dyno. I understand the 525 V8 is not the best chain out there, but it is a DID. It is an O-ring chain. Maybe it'll last..fingers crossed. Seems Vstroms has this chain as OEM.

Veemax · « **Reply #493 on:** February 02, 2012, 02:07:28 pm »

Wildcoast , your exhaust is soon under construction. Geoff held up your old pipe, took one look at my DR mounts, and knew exactly what to do , didn't need my bike further.

He also had precisely the right hardware on hand for my (s50) problem , so I'm to go back for a 'fitting' on that bike when convenient.

The man sure has all the answers , it's called COMPETENCE, and it's getting rare these days.

volroom · « **Reply #494 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:11:23 pm »

Is that your numberplate at the back of your topbox, Veemax?

Veemax · « **Reply #495 on:** February 02, 2012, 05:04:00 pm »

Ja, sadly so, here in the Cape the Metro Cops have gotten all childish about SABS plates. I have a smaller plate ( under the fender ) I often use when away from childish metro cops, in the sanctuary of the Karoo, or Namibia or whatever , where milking money from the already over-taxed, is not a problem.

This ugly plate from some angles is not so obvious hinged onto the top box , (which is a handy tool around town) , the plate forms a backup closing bungee with a rubber bonnet catch.

For very serious dirt I only use soft luggage and my elegant single camlock tie-down , and my , gasp, ILLEGAL plate.

Why can't we have small plates like the USA ? For fucks sake the SABS Aesthetic Eyesore is just one way to make your bike look KAK.

I once took on SABS about SANS 1116 spec, they were actually responsive, but I find it too exhausting to tackle officialdom who these days don't even speak the language of , how shall we put this, the modern, international world.....

Veemax · « **Reply #496 on:** February 02, 2012, 05:08:18 pm »

And there is no way in hell I am putting an SABS Airbrake on this machine !!!!

volroom · « **Reply #497 on:** February 02, 2012, 05:25:07 pm »

NICe...

SAZOOK foreva, eh?

That thing must go..

Wildcoast · « **Reply #498 on:** February 02, 2012, 06:01:45 pm »

Thank you very much indeed Veemax, just tried to give you a call to thank you personally for your effort, much appreciated

Yeah, speaking to Geoff he certainly seems to know his business.

I actually am like a kid at Christmas time at the moment, just wanna fire the old lady up now

Wildcoast · « **Reply #499 on:** February 02, 2012, 06:09:04 pm »

That bandit is the Bizznizz,

Agreed Volroom , Suz box for ever