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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #500 on: February 02, 2012, 08:23:29 pm »
Wildcoast I got to my phone 0.00003 secs after it switched to voicemail , got yer message, you are most welcome buddy ! Really no biggie my side as I wanted to see the man anyway.

Ja that Bandit is a wolf in sheeps clothing , to give you a clue, the stock main jets are 100 and it runs 122 outer's/124's inner's .... motor never opened but it BREATHES , makes 'Busa torque at 110Nm and wheelies like a wild beast , it makes you a very, very bad man. There is a dark secret few know, advance the timing 3 deg, and it wakes up and GROWLS from it's cylinders. ( And violate the airbox, short pipe, etc etc !! ) Leaves my brother-in-law's GSXR1100L for dead all the way to 265kph, then the Gixxer, eventually, comes horsepowering through. By that time it's Game Over in the real world.

Yes I am , after 30 bikes + in my life , .........I iza Suzook man......... to the bone !

Now, just wish I could tweak the ignition timing on a DR, but that would be an engineering feat not worth the effort ... damn.

Hey I saw a dude on a ratty 92-94 DR in the traffic today , I was waiting at the lights on his left. The classic double-take from inside his helmet when he saw ole Velvaglo was, in fact, a kindred bike, was bloody hilarious. His bike, was , shame man, very tired and very smoky, but hanging in there .... if it was anything less than a DR it woulda been long dead. His plate was so black with soot I couldn't see where he came from. Dude, if you are out there .... respect mon ....but hey, rebore and rebirth it man !!! :3some:
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #501 on: February 03, 2012, 12:12:52 am »
...I understand the 525 V8 is not the best chain out there...

Do NOT use it. A cracked crankcase costs more than a decent chain.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #502 on: February 03, 2012, 07:32:02 am »
Fantastic, now I just have to do valves etc, before my pipe arrives, good motivation.

Had someone keen to buy my DR , she is not for sale!
Keep a look out for one for the guy, he is on the forum as well.

Yeah having owned a gs650 shaftie and GS850g I basically decided there is no other bike but Suzuki, besides an old airhead BMW but thats another story, they just seem built better and have tougher engines than most other bikes.
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #503 on: February 03, 2012, 09:23:42 am »
Snap ! Had a GS1000S @ Stage 3 Yoshi big bore , and not so long ago a GS1000G , one of the most robust bikes ever made, those !
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #504 on: February 03, 2012, 11:59:35 am »
...I understand the 525 V8 is not the best chain out there...

Do NOT use it. A cracked crankcase costs more than a decent chain.

I'm trying to sell it. Theotherguy has had this chain on his bike for 24k km. He is meticulous about maintaining the chain. Just saying, it's not definite that it'll break
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #505 on: February 03, 2012, 03:25:26 pm »
I did valve clearance and balancer chain adjustment today, noticed metal filings in magneto cover (sump) is this normal?
Nothing in main engine oil I drained and oil filter .
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #506 on: February 03, 2012, 03:29:28 pm »
I did valve clearance and balancer chain adjustment today, noticed metal filings in magneto cover (sump) is this normal?
Nothing in main engine oil I drained and oil filter .

How do you adjust balancer? Do you have pics perhaps?
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #507 on: February 03, 2012, 03:48:40 pm »
I did valve clearance and balancer chain adjustment today, noticed metal filings in magneto cover (sump) is this normal?
Nothing in main engine oil I drained and oil filter .

Are they magnetic ? ie Ferrous or Ally Nyum Nyum ?
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #508 on: February 03, 2012, 09:00:51 pm »
...I understand the 525 V8 is not the best chain out there...

Do NOT use it. A cracked crankcase costs more than a decent chain.

I'm trying to sell it. Theotherguy has had this chain on his bike for 24k km. He is meticulous about maintaining the chain. Just saying, it's not definite that it'll break

The new DR's that came with this chain wore it to the point where the chains were unevenly stretched within 12,000km or less.
I had one snapping without warning after doing only 11,000km. Threw another one away at the same time and rode the bikes home from Norhten KZN to CT with combined harvester type roller chains for less than R100 a tot (from Bearing Man, due to lack of new sprockets) . We had to tighten the roller chains every single day and throw them away after 3000km but at least they did not snap.

Might not be definitse that it will break but I would not take a chance and won't recommend it neither.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #509 on: February 03, 2012, 09:28:22 pm »
Thumpers , compared to , say, Fours, require tougher drive components for the same horsepower, because of the pulsing peak surges of those mighty pistons. I would never risk a virtually irreplaceable engine casing, or cataclysmic demise of an entire motorcycle, on so worthy a steed as an early 90's DR , by clinging in denial to a cheap chain.

Rather ride with an old, but proper chain, until the next payday !

Again, Le Cap shares his huge database of experience, for the good of us all, for free. Danke freundlich, Herr Expert!

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #510 on: February 04, 2012, 08:33:31 am »
They looked like aluminum num , Volroom, I followed the manual for balance chain.
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #511 on: February 04, 2012, 09:15:31 am »
Maybe it was a thrashing chain then ? Cam or Balancer ... so maybe you've fixed it ! ?

There is a neat trick this engine does, the alternator magnets act as a centrifuge, because it's "inside out"  , and micro ferrous particles get trapped on the inner surfaces of the flywheel. Neat huh !

Probably another contributor to the legend of tenancity of this engine.

I don't suppose you thought to wipe down the magnets while you had the cover off ? The grey goo that comes off is the engine cleaning itself of all the nano/micro metal that whistles through the filter.

Suzuki....rocks man !
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #512 on: February 04, 2012, 11:54:23 am »
Yes, wiped it off, those shavings were kinda a metalic sludge, opened clutch up this morning, no filings in there thankfully, my clutch is different to the diagram on the manual, the thick plate is under a perforated plate that is wired to the outer hub (not the basket), from there all the plates are as per the diagram?
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #513 on: February 04, 2012, 11:59:00 am »
Like so.....
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #514 on: February 04, 2012, 12:03:57 pm »
that thick plate is supposed to be above parts 6 and 7? those washers that you warned me about Veemax?
So I have no wave washer or wave washer seat in my clutch????
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #515 on: February 04, 2012, 12:15:38 pm »
Oh sh^t ! WTF you got there bud ????  Now is the time for some careful research. I would suggest a trip to your locak Suzuki parts man, VIN and Engine number in hand, is the only way through to light and logic here !

Is that wire thing 'continuous' ? Does it rest in a slot or what ? Does it 'look' OEM ???

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #516 on: February 04, 2012, 12:33:53 pm »
Has the "thick plate" got a larger ID than the other plates ? If it's the right plate and those parts 6&7 are missing, you have an abortion...shall we say, a classic abortion, you will not be the first to open an engine and be greeted with this, I've had it TWICE !

LS650P Savage and 94 DR appear to have the same clutch, with this same 'anti-rattle' or 'anti-shudder' odd configuration that okes who open engine loose the plot over !

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #517 on: February 04, 2012, 01:40:20 pm »
Went to Suz, he has diagram for my bikes clutch, same as yours, so I ordered the parts I need, plus full set of new plates.
Does not really look OEM, No wonder it was slipping, plates in spec but glazed, prob from Kark set up to start with.  :dousing:

These bloody pre-96s DO HAVE SUBTLE DIFFERENCES IN THE CLUTCHES!!!!!
Check out www.cmsnl.com's microfisches for the clutches

Looks like I may have to order another washer, Oh well at least I have lotsa spares now , clutch, carb etc etc

I also need a ring wave washer it seems. it is  smaller than the parts mentioned above and fits between clutch plates

So 3 washer/washer seats missing in action.....
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #518 on: February 04, 2012, 03:38:41 pm »
The SAGA continues, this thing looks OEM, see pics, 1 where wire runs, 2 where it comes together on reverse side, 3 grooves to accept wire, 4 dissasembled with two missing washers and plate (plate Inside diameter smaller than other plates)
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #519 on: February 04, 2012, 03:57:13 pm »
So waar, found it, part number 14.....