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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #760 on: April 02, 2012, 01:26:16 pm »
Cheap and effective, your idea VM. Only thing for me (why I bought an ATG bag instead of old army style balsak bag) is that when you want to get something out at the bottom, you need to take out everything whereas not the case with panniers and bag with zip
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #761 on: April 02, 2012, 05:51:05 pm »
My wife made tube shaped bags that fit snuggly inside those tubes , pretty darned neat, you pull the whole slug and walk off and unzip it.
Of course they are girlie with African prints etc : ) .... gotta love girls on bikes man.

I met this tiny Japanese girl Yuki up way north near the Cunene on a DR250SE all the way from Tokyo via Siberia , Middle East etc, All of Africa. It was her second time around nogal.

The first thing that struck you about her bike was the array of pink clothes pegs on the headlight grill.

Last we saw her she was off to South America.

Interesting choice of bike huh ....DR Suzook !!! Legend.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #762 on: April 02, 2012, 07:52:59 pm »
Yeah, you'd think that these extraordinary people are scarce, but we once met a guy in the free state on his bicycle. He came from Spain, but he's American. Alone on a bicycle through Africa...moerse beard. He says he's had a hell of a experience, not every thing good..but still. I take my hat of to them.

LE CAP! I need info: is the pre-96 frame similar to post-96 DR650 frame? Are there slight differences between different countries of production? Like USA, europe and elsewhere (I think my DR is American).

MIght be able to get a post-96 frame from theotherguy, but not sure if the frame is similar (your bashplate for example don't fit pre-96 DR's, because frame mountings different?

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #763 on: April 03, 2012, 08:30:00 am »
DR650 and DR650 second edition have only very very few parts in common. I'd be very surprised to see an early DR engine go into an SE frame without requiring the application of gratuitous violence applied by angle grinders, hacksaws & welding machines.
Remember the SE engine is not just lighter but also considerably smaller in size that the early DR650 mill.

Ditfferences between country models of the same model and year are marginal if present at all.
I rememer some tiny differences in some SE models depending if they were sold with the grab handles or the carrier rack.
Also the atrocious US model SE taillight ::)
Some SE's sold with a rather expensive and söightly undersized and flimsy alii bash plate.
All SE's (SP46) frames are identical apart from the paintjob as far as I know.

I know for sure that the SP41 frame is different from the later SP42...SP45 (head bearings). All SP41 ... SP45 cary the same engines though.

It should be relatively easy (?) to make a bash plate version for the early DR. I have to see if I can use the same shape as for the SE and just do modified mounts but I will need a bike for measuirements since my neighbour at work has sold his SP41.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #764 on: April 03, 2012, 09:13:36 am »
You're welcome to take custody of my Velvaglo Ugly Bastid '94 for a few weeks Le Cap , I'm off on a long ride from 11 - 25th April.

Just take note some fukwit stripped the captive nuts underside the frame that hold the bashplate , ( not bothering to retap threads post powder coating ? ) ....so the frame lugs are all backed up with a second nylock nut , which makes things a bit awkward, but I'm not dropping the motor to weld new nuts in place ! : )

You want ?

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #765 on: April 03, 2012, 11:47:17 am »
Check dualies to breeds neck in planning a ride Veemax, no bar weights I have alu guards on the bar ends.
 

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #766 on: April 05, 2012, 08:11:15 am »
DR650 and DR650 second edition have only very very few parts in common. I'd be very surprised to see an early DR engine go into an SE frame without requiring the application of gratuitous violence applied by angle grinders, hacksaws & welding machines.
Remember the SE engine is not just lighter but also considerably smaller in size that the early DR650 mill.

Ditfferences between country models of the same model and year are marginal if present at all.
I rememer some tiny differences in some SE models depending if they were sold with the grab handles or the carrier rack.
Also the atrocious US model SE taillight ::)
Some SE's sold with a rather expensive and söightly undersized and flimsy alii bash plate.
All SE's (SP46) frames are identical apart from the paintjob as far as I know.

I know for sure that the SP41 frame is different from the later SP42...SP45 (head bearings). All SP41 ... SP45 cary the same engines though.

It should be relatively easy (?) to make a bash plate version for the early DR. I have to see if I can use the same shape as for the SE and just do modified mounts but I will need a bike for measuirements since my neighbour at work has sold his SP41.


Thx Le Cap, so a 93 DR650 has a SP41 frame? If I can get other frame, then frame will be fixed - rusted section cut out, new pipe welded in
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #767 on: April 05, 2012, 08:33:22 am »
Check your VIN: It either starts off with SP4x... or if it's a slightly later model with 17 digit VIN JS1SP4x...
J = Japan
S1 = Suzuki
SP4x... = type, year model and serial number.

I do not know to what extent SP41 / SP42 / SP43 / SP44 frames are interchangeable. AFAIK only the SP41 has the awkward and expensive head bearing setup with one shoulder bearing on top and a tapered roller bearing at the bottom. From the SP42 onwards they had two tapered roller bearings. (?)
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #768 on: April 05, 2012, 09:16:20 am »
AFAIK only the SP41 has the awkward and expensive head bearing setup with one shoulder bearing on top and a tapered roller bearing at the bottom.
I'm about to find out how expensive as my bike is at Suz to do just that.....

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #769 on: April 07, 2012, 07:58:52 pm »

Thx Le Cap, so a 93 DR650 has a SP41 frame? If I can get other frame, then frame will be fixed - rusted section cut out, new pipe welded in

So, what time did you leave the Mechie's Plekkie?  :biggrin: Did you drop the engine, or fixed the last part of the frame with the engine in place? Dis jammer die oxy-asetileen wou nie werk nie, maar gelukkig kon die arc welder die job doen.

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #770 on: April 09, 2012, 05:54:05 pm »

Thx Le Cap, so a 93 DR650 has a SP41 frame? If I can get other frame, then frame will be fixed - rusted section cut out, new pipe welded in

So, what time did you leave the Mechie's Plekkie?  :biggrin: Did you drop the engine, or fixed the last part of the frame with the engine in place? Dis jammer die oxy-asetileen wou nie werk nie, maar gelukkig kon die arc welder die job doen.

Was lekker om jou en Kykdaar te ontmoet  :thumleft:

selfde man! thx weereens vir daai weld. Die engine het in gebly, eks maar lui. Ons het soortvan reg gekom, stuk flatbar gevat, vas geweld aan eenkant, oor gebuig and weer vas probeer weld. Anit-rust goed aangesit en sy was klaar. Het n aluminium bashplate gekry van Kykdaar, so soortvan generic job. Probeer nou uitfigger hoe om te mount. Dink aan U-bolts.

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #771 on: April 17, 2012, 03:40:56 pm »
So I finally got my new tail light after some wire smacked out the last one. Then I though I'd treat my bike to a LED tail light to unleash a further 0.005KW from the engine. It seem slightly brighter, but the light is better distributed, i.e. not a point source. Here's some pics.

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #772 on: April 19, 2012, 09:47:56 am »
They work fine on brake light but I heard if installed in flickers because there is a lot less resistance they flicker faster. Also had a LED bulb in the Old XL500R from Schlowy.

I still sorting out the ol girl... last night finished a DIY head light protector. Busy also with bashplate. Got one from Kykdaar; what a nice guy. It's a generic job, so I had to cut away like crazy. Still busy trying to make brackets.

bottom of frame sorted out. Went to Groenie. Gypsybaron was there and helped out. We cut out the bad and replaced. Hopefully this will hold.

Still looking into LED spots; that...will be the last I presume. Since the DR went to the dyno she's running nicely. Airbox abused en ol.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #773 on: April 19, 2012, 09:59:24 am »
They work fine on brake light but I heard if installed in flickers because there is a lot less resistance they flicker faster.

I had that problem when I installed them on a KLR. You must either put in resistors which kind of defeats the purpose, or get an electronic flasher unit.


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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #774 on: April 22, 2012, 02:11:40 am »
This thread has been quite for a while now. Howzat dogz!?
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #775 on: April 22, 2012, 09:01:40 am »
Howz what? Dawgz
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #776 on: April 22, 2012, 12:58:48 pm »
Well, just - maybe an update SuperDave, how far are you on the DR? Wildcoast; what are you busy with currently?
We should go for ride sometime
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #777 on: April 22, 2012, 01:28:29 pm »
Here's my update.

Waiting for some money to tackle my ambitious project and all of a sudden an Africa Twin with 11 500 km on calls out to me - BUY ME, BUY ME.

Being a nice person who cannot resist pleas for help - I go and buy it.

Now I got too many bikes - for sure as my wife eloquently reminds me.

So my plans for the DR may take a back seat for awhile or I may sell it ( ouch) to help pay for my stunning almost new Africa Twin.

I love the DR - so selling it will be a big decision. I have put much time into it and its only returned the favour with lots of pleasure.

Now I have an added challenge and that is to sell my XLV750r too (maybe) I have spent some time getting her to look good and she performs so well mechanically that it would be sad to see her go. But how many bikes can I ride and maintain realistically?

So I may just end up with 2 bikes - my Honda Blackbird ( maybe) and the Africa Twin definitely.

Some advice here could be useful.

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #778 on: April 22, 2012, 09:25:47 pm »
too much of a good thing is not such a good thing...I guess. decide which bikes means the most to you, and keep them. I always wanted a blackbird.

I'm spending a lot of time on my DR, and money  -but trying to save money by doing  as much possible myself. Almost there...
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #779 on: April 24, 2012, 07:55:23 am »