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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #880 on: August 01, 2012, 03:30:41 pm »
They jumped ship from my 2009 DR : ) 
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #882 on: August 06, 2012, 06:00:00 pm »
Thx VM, will check it out

So, VM, are the progressive springs worth it? I can get some springs up here in JHB. I don't know if it's time for my springs to be changed, but if I go on a trip the front end needs to be sorted. Did you have your rear shock rebuilt as well?

Imagine, you can fit ohlins to the DR...think you get a rear shock for it
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #883 on: August 06, 2012, 07:29:32 pm »
Thx VM, will check it out

So, VM, are the progressive springs worth it? I can get some springs up here in JHB. I don't know if it's time for my springs to be changed, but if I go on a trip the front end needs to be sorted. Did you have your rear shock rebuilt as well?

Imagine, you can fit ohlins to the DR...think you get a rear shock for it

You can have the shock rebuilt and modified for a fraction of what the Ohlin would cost if you could get an Ohlin for it. Shimwells do a repair and mod and I think it works out around R2000. Almost the price of the DR (LOL) :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #884 on: August 15, 2012, 10:27:43 pm »
Thx VM, will check it out

So, VM, are the progressive springs worth it? I can get some springs up here in JHB. I don't know if it's time for my springs to be changed, but if I go on a trip the front end needs to be sorted. Did you have your rear shock rebuilt as well?

Imagine, you can fit ohlins to the DR...think you get a rear shock for it

Hi, sorry, been in the bush for two weeks again ! I ordered Progressive's springs for the front as the cheapest solution to ole saggy stockers , turned out a good buy because it comes with plastic spacers you can saw bits off until you get the spring rate that feels right. I think the back shock is bone stock. I've worked it real hard on a few rides Ooop North in the Tankwa and find it hard to fault. The ole DR is not quite a replacement for my KTM640Adv I had , but it sure comes close , which is really saying you pay a huge huge price for the incrementalism offered by 'ready to race' marketing.  I am SO OVER marketing. Thus Velvaglo counterculture !!!

Put this way , now at age 50 , I don't give a sideways sh^t not being the fastest Rambo on the block. And in the combination of bike + rider , the bike is not the limiting factor , even my ole DR.

Given that I have time and ride mostly in the week when I own all the backroads .....heh heh heh.... there is no-one to prove anything to anyway !

BTW , a little less headspace in the fork air gap can restore some ride height , but you gotta be careful with this kinda tweak , hydraulic lock is NOT your friend !

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #885 on: August 16, 2012, 11:10:15 am »
I put progressive front springs in my DR, made a huge difference. Much more planted on the road. Also the fork oil was probably the same oil the factory put in so that would have helped as well.

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #886 on: August 20, 2012, 11:06:55 am »
Thx, think I'll soon get myself some wilbers progressive springs from Doc KLR. My front end is not very soft, think the OEM springs still doing an Ok job. I heard of a front fork brace that increases stability on the front end. Can get one for around R1300. It connects to the front fork stanchion...don't know if that's right. Sort of where the bottom part of the fork boot is held by a tie strap/cable tie.

http://www.rswracing.com/dr650.htm

Supposedly this can help..upside down forks are said to be beter...I mean KTM only go for those..something about it having compression damping and ........there are two types of damping, whereas the other kind of forks (like the DR) only has one kind of damping...Front shocks that is. I am talking under correction here.

Like VM says, normally the bike is rarely the limiting factor, but suspension does play a big role in how stable the bike feels off road i think.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #887 on: August 20, 2012, 02:34:00 pm »
And hey , an oke gets bored and has to vroetel !!!!!

I've just been photographing my VZ800 project bike which is FINISHED , so now I dunno what next ...

I'm just checking my mails here then descending into my dungeon , probably gonna violate the wifes 650 Savage , in my head there is a flat tracker waiting to be born !

My oldtimer DR needs an oversize O-ring on the oil return , what a mission, and maybe a one-up pilot air jet , but dammit , can't find anything to do on it now : )

Phhewwwww these bikes go well ! Mine gets blasted full bore on the highway here at sea level , and I run out of road before running out of power. Just love it man. Don't miss my KTM for a single second.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #888 on: August 20, 2012, 03:17:06 pm »
SO my rebuild mission hasn't gone to plan.

Wife is really having a go at me because there too, far too many bikes. So I am told no hairy expensive mods.

This means I need a set of rings for my DR650 - 1993 - think it is SP45? Bore need to be honed and rings fitted, Head getting a reseat of valves and new stem seals.

But - I need to confirm if std size or over size needed.

Wife insists I sell her. ( that would be the bike unfortunately).

We'll see when she re assembled.

Does anyone know about a vent filter? That wears out over time and should be replaced with a cotton washable ( K+N Type) filter? Bit lost here  - saw the pic on Procycle but ...
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #889 on: August 21, 2012, 01:04:53 pm »
Vent filter ? Don't you have positive crankcase ventilation to the airbox ? ( I don't really know for sure what I am talking about , but pretty sure my old DR has a pipe to the airbox from the cases )

Your wife sounds wise and sane , if it wasn't for our Handbrakes, we'd be living in a garage on a dusty old single bed , with a fridge full of beer, and be living on junk food ...

But then , my strategy is better , inflict them. My wife has THREE bikes , and I have just the basic 6 .....
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #890 on: August 21, 2012, 01:57:03 pm »
Seems the post 1996 has a secondary breather filter located by the tank - this must be what was being referred to by Procycle.

My wife has a bike but also has mood swings - so some days its cool to have all these bikes and then other days I get a real k@rk attitude accompanied by a pk to the side of my head.

Eish - the things we have to endure for our woman. LOL

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #891 on: August 21, 2012, 03:58:50 pm »
Superdave my brothers bike(Suzuki DR650) still need a Engine so please let me know if you want to sell yours seems they are made of unobtainimum...
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #892 on: August 21, 2012, 05:24:33 pm »
Zetman - I am in process of honing cylinder and new rings as well as doing valve seats, stems and guides.

Depending on cost of this - I may well consider selling. but she is generally a good example of DR650. Lets wait and see - will know by thursday what route I am going to follow. We can talk then.
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #893 on: August 21, 2012, 05:57:59 pm »
I was considering selling mine , but when I realised that I'm in R42 000 , whooooaaahhh , no-one will give me that for it , but , fork it , it's NEW !!!

So now I guess it's a lifer.

When the cylinder/bore clearance is NEW, the Valves, guides, seals etc NEW , ALL the carb wear parts including unobtainable plastic slide and guide NEW , the disk rotor NEW , the clutch and cam chain NEW , the tyres NEW , the swingarm bearings NEW etc etc etc , then you shitty it up painting it khaki , you are sitting with an overcapitalised self-indulgent bike. HAHAHAHAHAA.

Oh well , better two DR's, that get used, than a Harley parked at Viper Lounge , I reckon.  >:D

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #894 on: August 21, 2012, 09:13:37 pm »
Weet eenige iemand dalk van n engine iewers te koop al is dit net die ratkas gedeelte my boet se bikeratkas het ontplof kan ni regmaak nie kan iemand dalk help asb?
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #895 on: August 21, 2012, 10:03:47 pm »
I was considering selling mine , but when I realised that I'm in R42 000 , whooooaaahhh , no-one will give me that for it , but , fork it , it's NEW !!!

So now I guess it's a lifer.

When the cylinder/bore clearance is NEW, the Valves, guides, seals etc NEW , ALL the carb wear parts including unobtainable plastic slide and guide NEW , the disk rotor NEW , the clutch and cam chain NEW , the tyres NEW , the swingarm bearings NEW etc etc etc , then you shitty it up painting it khaki , you are sitting with an overcapitalised self-indulgent bike. HAHAHAHAHAA.

Oh well , better two DR's, that get used, than a Harley parked at Viper Lounge , I reckon.  >:D

Now thats my challenge!


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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #896 on: August 23, 2012, 09:45:24 am »
Happy to report that my DR engine still in excellent condition.

The compression rings seemed to have failed - possible overheat situation - so I will check out oil cooler and maybe go for larger cores to aid cooling.

The cylinder bore is very good and needs a little honing,and piston is spot on. but it is 95.5 and not 95 and herein  lies my challenge. New oversize rings. Where to get locally and quickly?

Valves and guides are all good - but the motor engineer feels the exhaust valve stems are a little thin and would be happier fitting valves that have slightly larger stem diameters. I asked if we could increase size of the port by 2 mm as well. Don't know if it would help with anything coz inlets will remain the same. Waiting on his feedback.

Any info in this regard would be appreciated. I have my own ideas - but am open to advice from those in the know.

So i am back at the point where - do i ceramic coat piston and combustion chamber as well as the outer of the cylinder head or do I just put together and run in and sell it?

Please don't let my wife read this thread or I am going to be in hospital for a while after she klaps me good and solid with a lead pipe. :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:




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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #897 on: August 23, 2012, 12:50:27 pm »
Hmmm please help me find a engine for my Boets bike we need to  :ricky:

Superdave i wont tell your wife if you help us... :pot:
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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #898 on: August 23, 2012, 01:19:52 pm »
Zetman - now you resorting to veiled threats!

jis - I cant even share my deepest most personal thoughts here.

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Re: Older DR 600/650 thread (Pre mid 90's)
« Reply #899 on: August 23, 2012, 08:53:05 pm »
valves are actually ok. Guides are good. So new stem seals and reseating valves.

Bore is excelent - now honed.

Piston is great - need 0.5 oversize rings.

Ceramic coating of piston and combustion chamber and valves as well as external barrel is now calling out loudly to me.
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