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Help in bike choices
« on: June 18, 2007, 07:15:04 am »
Was wondering.
What is the advantage off getting a bigger CC bike?

Was wondering I have 30000km left thats about a years riding. Then I want a new bike.
I like the 990cc KTM I would like the 800cc BMW if it ever happens.

But what is wrong with the 650KTM or Dakar
The price is nice. On the KTM you even get your panniers for free.
The weight is lekker, power is more than enough. For one person its cool.

Whats the feeling?


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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2007, 07:31:43 am »
For one up riding, the 650's are great.
Even the odd two up trip they can manage.

The bigger bikes make the loooong distance touring more bearable, you will feel less tired after a long ride on a bigger bike.

Generally the bigger bikes cost more to maintain and keep running and they are not as capable offroad.
So if you want one for commuting, the odd offroad ride, occasional 1-up trips, go for a 650 !!!!
 

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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2007, 08:04:38 am »


The bigger bikes make the loooong distance touring more bearable, you will feel less tired after a long ride on a bigger bike.



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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2007, 08:16:39 am »
Bigger bikes are only nice for touring like Shark said and constantly 2 up. The 650's are the best IMO, you can play around on trails over the weekend, and no, the 1200 and 950's don't play in the same sand pit they are just to big and heavy to pick up every now and then, and then you can still use them for commuting, light on fuel and maintenance.

Friday we went playing with the Dakar and the KLR and I just realised again, the 650class is the ultimate for DS riding, I could take my 1200GS there, but I would have broken half the bike and myself.

If now only these powers to be can build me a bike with the GS motor, 640 Suspension and tank, and proper screen.

Theres still this misconception that you must " upgrade" form a 650, BS.

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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2007, 08:19:37 am »
go for the 650 Dakar or wait for the KTM 690 adventure  :)
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2007, 08:33:55 am »
I am waiting for the 800 GS ;D
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 08:34:24 am »
About 500-600km a day is the max for me on the Dakar. Or maybe my behind is not "bike fit."

Two-up was quite a adjustment to me. And that was 3 short trips.

But, I do the above maybe once a year so a no-brainer to my personal circumstances to take into consideration to buy a bike.

The 800GS would a good compromise between longer distance touring ability and sacrifising a bit on the "play" factor I think. If any.

My short experiences on the big litre bikes? Awesome on level 1-2 and even 3 if you have the experience on the bikes. I also think the 650 might be a touch ahead in city commuting but do not have experience of city traffic on a bigger bike. Maybe a bit biased there. :wink:

But then, I've seen people do amzing things with theirr 1150, 1200 and bigger Katooms!
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 08:37:18 am »
Ballies there's nothing wrong with his Honda. Sy gat juk nou sommer net  >:D

Ratel if the 800GS is going to be heavier than a 650, they can keep it.

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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 09:12:48 am »
And I thought the AT being a 750 is a nice in betweener from the 650 - 1 liters, having the ability to go 2-up, on tours or to play in the dirt.

Can't perform the same stunts on a 1liter plus bike than on a 650 or smaller IMO
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 12:34:15 pm »
Whatever bike one has is always a compromise.
I loved my Dakar but long tar hauls really finished me.
I love owning 'Staalvarkie' but it can get exhausting in technical stuff.
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 01:36:22 pm »
its about weight not cc's... the AT weighs more than the ktm950 , i dare say the ktm would kick the AT's bottom in every application irrespective of the biggeer CC's
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 01:51:11 pm »
I would always argue that a lighter 650 is a better bike for a single rider who wants does not care about covering great distances in a short time

that said, I think it will be hard for someone like me to go to a smaller cc when I'm used to a litre bike, even if I didn't have a pillion. I would choose more limited offroad ability rather than sacrifice power and touring ability...but that's just me
 

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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 04:09:48 pm »
i heard the new bmw 800 will be more in line with the new 650's and less with the gs and dakar 650

its going to be more of an enduro type bike (well thats what the bmw salesman said - but i dont believe anyone knows for sure)

what about the new transalp 700?

should be out when you get around to buying

i also wanted something bigger but for every 20000km that i travel my wife maybe joins me for 1000km so 650cc is okay for now...
 

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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 04:51:46 pm »
Yes my Gat jik net.
The AT is the LEGEND the size is just right for long travel and lots of playing up to a point, then its to heavy.
I heard there isnt going to be a 690Adventure from KTM "Wheels or Top Bike not sure"
Yes the 800CC BMW is purfect but Money wise we know BMW there going to be a HUGE rip off.
The new Transalp IMO is a great cc but wonder if there going to give it a more manly look  >:D ::) ;D ;D ;D

Off to the corner I go  >:D
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2007, 08:43:02 pm »
Or you can wait for next year when the 1150 KTM is launched....... :)
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 08:54:46 pm »
Look at it the American way: There is no replacement for displacement....  ;)
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 09:28:03 pm »
Whatever bike one has is always a compromise.
I loved my Dakar but long tar hauls really finished me.
I love owning 'Staalvarkie' but it can get exhausting in technical stuff.
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2007, 09:22:51 am »
Why upgrade? The little red oke on my shoulder is telling me to down grade from 650 to 640  ;D but the white oke on the other shoulder says no, wait for a 750-800 bike to come along. In the mean time, I'll just ride Groenie. At least I can sort of pick him up when we fall over....
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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2007, 09:38:40 am »
Why upgrade? The little red oke on my shoulder is telling me to down grade from 650 to 640  ;D but the white oke on the other shoulder says no, wait for a 750-800 bike to come along. In the mean time, I'll just ride Groenie. At least I can sort of pick him up when we fall over....

And you think the 640 would make you super dooper faster than you 650? ;D


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Re: Help in bike choices
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2007, 10:38:47 am »
Gideon

Take a piece of paper and a pencil. Write down the total km you rode on your AT so far. Then you split the total km between tar, highway gravel, twee spoor gravel, technical (trails and sand and mud) and work out the % you rode on each surface.

Whats the point in buying a KTM 640 of you rode 80% tar and 15% gravel highways and only 5% technical?
Whats the point in buying a DL650 if you rode 45% technical, 35% twee spoor gravel and only 20% tar?

Gettid?

I upgraded from an AT to a 1200GS. The only area, if we leave out moolah, where the AT is better than the GS is in the front shocks and belly protection department.  Its my opinion and for the record I rode 55 000km in 3 years on my AT and 30 000km in 2 years on my GS. So I am qualified to say this.

No bike on the market will make you a better rider. Its 95% up to the jockey in the saddle.

So I will say
Keep your AT but start saving for that "perfect" for your needs bike that will steal your heart......

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