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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2012, 06:49:04 pm »
I heard last night on Pasella that they are going to tar Sani.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2012, 07:43:27 pm »
I heard last night on Pasella that they are going to tar Sani.

And still would be gr8 to ride up there with a bike....but yes - would have to rush to do it on gravel while I still have a change
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2012, 08:38:12 pm »
Which CENTURY ?  ;D  

I really would not get my knickers in a twist right now.  It will take years, before funds are found to actually do this. Then consultants, will be given their brief. Then an invironmental impact study will have to be done, with participation of all communities involved. Once past that stage, then only will a tender be advertised and put to the market, with a 90 day validity. It will take them a year to adjudicate the tender, then it will be another three months before you see any form of site estblishement, and eventually road works starting.  Then its going to take them at least 5 years to actually built the road and tar it.  

This is a 5  to 15 year dream, "nice to have" project.  

We still got losts of time to go do "SANI"
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2012, 08:51:09 pm »
Hulle sukkel nou al 4 jaar om die mooi grondpad van die T aansluiting to by Sani Hotel te teer. as hulle so aangaan sal dit hulle 30 jaar vat om die pad tot bo te teer! :imaposer: :imaposer: :peepwall:
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2012, 08:55:15 pm »
There's some minutes of meetings by Consultants Arcus Gibb, etc. on the Web. (Google "Sani Pass surfacing")  Progress is much further than we might think.

Interesting study:


http://projects.gibb.co.za/Portals/3/projects/201110%20Sani/Appendix%20E%20-%20Specialist%20Reports/E6/Appendix%20E6%20-%20Broad%20Scale%20Economic%20Assessment.pdf
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2012, 12:02:53 am »
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2012, 09:40:39 am »
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!

The Chinese can bring in 10000 people and do the work by hand with shovels, picks and baskets.
They use similar methods in the mountains in Chinese occupied Tibet.
They can do it here too.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2012, 10:41:31 am »
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!

The Chinese can bring in 10000 people and do the work by hand with shovels, picks and baskets.
They use similar methods in the mountains in Chinese occupied Tibet.
They can do it here too.

Exactly - different work ethic and different approach to a 'problem' .... oh and Africa  ::)
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2012, 01:57:45 pm »
The Chinese built the Great Wall.... and those that didn't toil hard enough, became part of the foundations!! Sounds like a good plan to me! :pot: 
No seriously, I agree that it could take a long time before it actually gets tarred. Everytime they try to "resurface" the road with gravel, it comes down after the next rain/snowfall, and turns it back to a challenging route... :o
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2013, 01:19:38 pm »
Hi guys,

I am hearing a lot of talk again about the surfacing of Sani Pass.  Some guys were there recently and saw some machinery on the side of the road.

Any info in this regard will be appreciated!

There are loads of us that would still like to experience it in the rough before surfacing!

I know these threads have been going on for nearly 10 years now but it seems a lot of roads are already converted, has the day now come that Sani will be surfaced?!?!?!

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2013, 01:25:00 pm »
Hi guys,

I am hearing a lot of talk again about the surfacing of Sani Pass.  Some guys were there recently and saw some machinery on the side of the road.

Any info in this regard will be appreciated!

There are loads of us that would still like to experience it in the rough before surfacing!

I know these threads have been going on for nearly 10 years now but it seems a lot of roads are already converted, has the day now come that Sani will be surfaced?!?!?!



There is currently work being done on Sani Pass, but it is not related to the tarring. There is blasting taking place to sort out drainage issues on the existing pass. The tarring of the actual pass it seems is going to happen, just not yet.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2013, 01:27:29 pm »
Some guys were there recently and saw some machinery on the side of the road.

That was probably only the gravel road scraper that they saw.

I know these threads have been going on for nearly 10 years now but it seems a lot of roads are already converted, has the day now come that Sani will be surfaced?!?!?!

So 10 years and they have done the first few km past the farms, another ten years to the SA border post and another 10 years to reach the bottom of Sani and another 10 year to tar Sani.   ;)
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2013, 01:30:48 pm »
There's more fun roads to ride in Lesotho than Sani. Tarring Sani just means we'll be able to get to the fun stuff quicker....  :ricky:

Chinese are building roads all over Lesotho. There are even some Italians in the north of Lesotho building roads.
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2013, 01:31:04 pm »
The Chinese can and will do it for Lesotho but to what end - no big trucks, earth movers for dams etc will ever get up there so why actually bother ??? Easier to build a new pass!

The Chinese are rebuilding many roads in Lesotho.  Exactly what the agreement with Lesotho government is I don't know.

But who are responsible for Sani Pass?  On the map it seems to be on the SA side of the border.  Will Lesotho then pay for the tarring of Sani?  The other tarring work done on the road leading to Sani  was not doen by Chinese?
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2013, 01:37:42 pm »
Sani is the responsibility of the SA Govt, and the SA Govt do the maintenance and will be tarring the pass.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2013, 01:41:53 pm »
Sani is the responsibility of the SA Govt, and the SA Govt do the maintenance and will be tarring the pass.

Doubt if SA has any urgency/requirement/need to get Sani tarred then?
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2013, 01:45:17 pm »
No apparently there is a budget set aside and the plans are there, but fortunately in SA they are constrained by things like first having to do Environmental Impact Reports etc. Unlike in Lesotho where the Chinese just get stuck in and blast the sensitive areas to shit. I hear it will be another 5 years before Sani is tarred.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2013, 02:11:48 pm »
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2013, 04:16:54 pm »
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.

Rob I think you are sadly mistaken.

I don't believe that large trucks carrying construction materials for the Polihali Dam will ever use Sani Pass, even when it is tarred. The only bearing the new dam will have on the tarring of Sani is accessibility for tourism purposes.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2013, 04:26:20 pm »
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.

Rob I think you are sadly mistaken.

I don't believe that large trucks carrying construction materials for the Polihali Dam will ever use Sani Pass, even when it is tarred. The only bearing the new dam will have on the tarring of Sani is accessibility for tourism purposes.
I hear you, but bear in mind what diesel cost way back when Katse was built, at today's prices will add a significant cost factor to any new project, tarring Sani would cut both that cost as well as save a few hours as well plus add the tourism factor for Lesotho.