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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2013, 04:27:25 pm »
There's more fun roads to ride in Lesotho than Sani. Tarring Sani just means we'll be able to get to the fun stuff quicker....  :ricky:



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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2013, 04:28:56 pm »
Was just about to gooi sanral into the thread! Maybe they will fund the project! :imaposer:
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2013, 04:31:45 pm »
Was just about to gooi sanral into the thread! Maybe they will fund the project! :imaposer:
:imaposer: I would not put it past them... it will shorten the route from the N1 to Durban...
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2013, 04:34:05 pm »
It all depends on the 3rd dam schedule, using Sani is a huge cost saving compared to carting stuff around via Van Reenen.

Rob I think you are sadly mistaken.

I don't believe that large trucks carrying construction materials for the Polihali Dam will ever use Sani Pass, even when it is tarred. The only bearing the new dam will have on the tarring of Sani is accessibility for tourism purposes.
I hear you, but bear in mind what diesel cost way back when Katse was built, at today's prices will add a significant cost factor to any new project, tarring Sani would cut both that cost as well as save a few hours as well plus add the tourism factor for Lesotho.

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2013, 04:36:04 pm by Pistonpete »
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2013, 04:37:34 pm »
Well thats good news...
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2013, 04:38:53 pm »
+ the okes down below now get their zol quicker.....unless they still doing the donkey trains to the lowlands.... O0
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2013, 06:49:07 pm »

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...
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PP - not sure what you base this opinion on? The Chinese have built some of the best roads in the most demanding terrain in the world. Twenty years ago already I travelled the Silk Road when first open to westerners and was impressed by their roads even in some remote areas. Some of the Chink roads in Lesotho are awesome feats of construction - last year saw first hand the mamoth Qachas Neck road building and while terrifying in terms of how it is going to open up Lesotho is fooking impressive. That said to get big trucks up Sani it would need major reingeneering and cannot see it happening...but then I can also say that the Chinese view challenges very differently to Africans...
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2013, 06:53:58 pm »
The Chinese have successfully built roads and railways that defied all engineering logic. Give them some credit! :sip:
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2013, 07:02:23 pm »
The Chinese are not involved in the tarring of Sani Pass
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2013, 07:34:35 pm »
According to this post the chinese are tarring the sani pass

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=127077.0

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2013, 07:43:51 pm »

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...

PP - not sure what you base this opinion on? The Chinese have built some of the best roads in the most demanding terrain in the world. Twenty years ago already I travelled the Silk Road when first open to westerners and was impressed by their roads even in some remote areas. Some of the Chink roads in Lesotho are awesome feats of construction - last year saw first hand the mamoth Qachas Neck road building and while terrifying in terms of how it is going to open up Lesotho is fooking impressive. That said to get big trucks up Sani it would need major reingeneering and cannot see it happening...but then I can also say that the Chinese view challenges very differently to Africans...
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Working on African projects is like clubbing baby seals to them......plus watch thr Chinese population grow in the area...

And if i was the SA Gov i would put a trade embargo on them until they use a SA company to build the roads.....it's not like they don't exist because of our benefication...
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2013, 07:55:49 pm »

Fear not....if the Chinese are building it it's going to fall apart with rapidity if big trucks are going to use it...and they would have to do major cliff side earthworks to get turning circles right for tracter & trailer....its going to be interesting to watch..
Newguy is right.....for some the pass is the trip...for others it's a means to a start...

PP - not sure what you base this opinion on? The Chinese have built some of the best roads in the most demanding terrain in the world. Twenty years ago already I travelled the Silk Road when first open to westerners and was impressed by their roads even in some remote areas. Some of the Chink roads in Lesotho are awesome feats of construction - last year saw first hand the mamoth Qachas Neck road building and while terrifying in terms of how it is going to open up Lesotho is fooking impressive. That said to get big trucks up Sani it would need major reingeneering and cannot see it happening...but then I can also say that the Chinese view challenges very differently to Africans...
Working on African projects is like clubbing baby seals to them......plus watch thr Chinese population grow in the area...

And if i was the SA Gov i would put a trade embargo on them until they use a SA company to build the roads.....it's not like they don't exist because of our benefication...
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They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2013, 07:59:41 pm »
They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
and what has Lesotho got except one diamond mine and water? ::)
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2013, 08:00:52 pm »
They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
and what has Lesotho got except one diamond mine and water? ::)

A corrupt state

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2013, 08:04:21 pm »
They build these roads to come strip a country of its natural resources.

African politicians allow it, because their voters think it is being done for them as 'development'
and what has Lesotho got except one diamond mine and water? ::)

A corrupt state
less corrupt than Zumazanzi... :lol8:
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2013, 08:06:57 pm »
Working on African projects is like clubbing baby seals to them......plus watch thr Chinese population grow in the area...

And if i was the SA Gov i would put a trade embargo on them until they use a SA company to build the roads.....it's not like they don't exist because of our benefication...
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Sounds like zenophobic bigotry. You said that their roads would "fall apart with rapidity" and have not substantiated this claim. Not everything Chinese is crap - remember 'Jap Crap' ... things Jap were also considered inferior and where are they now? The Chinese were an advanced civilisation long before the West and are no longer a slumbering dragon but will be the mega power within our life time. Main reason is work ethic and their embracing capitalism. Yes there is Chinese colonisation afoot, no doubt. Before you know it your orange bike will be being made not just in India but China as well.  :3some:
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2013, 09:40:30 pm »
According to this post the chinese are tarring the sani pass

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=127077.0

Read the post again  :biggrin:

The Chinese are doing the road between the top of Sani and Mokhotlong, this is all inside Lesotho.
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2013, 08:49:10 am »
I am amazed that so many people think that the Chinese are actually building quality roads in Africa ??? Yes for fair to good quality build by them in Asia and even some part in Europe. However, I have worked many years in Africa and the Quality of roads build by the China people are crap generally speaking! Roads started to break op in the DRC within the firs year of construction as well as their many roads in Ethiopia! Most of the times they will only lay a base course and never the 'wear coarse' and you can clearly see that they do not test materials in labs. The crushed stone they used on a road in Eastern Ethiopia (Jijiga) broke up after te second rainy season.....so I beg to differ when it comes to Chinese 'so called Quality roads'. They are involved in almost every Country in the world, but it seems that Africa will still get the 'made in China keep in a cool place' workmanship...pity
 

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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2013, 09:24:27 am »
I heard Sani will be tarred by next week Tuesday so hurry up if you want to ride it  ::)
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Re: tarring the sani pass
« Reply #79 on: June 27, 2013, 09:35:46 am »
I heard Sani will be tarred by next week Tuesday so hurry up if you want to ride it  ::)


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