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F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« on: December 11, 2011, 02:34:27 pm »
Hi guys I am contemplating changing from BMW for the first time (small scramblers excluded) - the 2 bikes I have been looking at is the 690 or the 640 ADV.  I would like to hear what you (owners - riders) have to say about each one or hopefully someone who had both.

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2011, 02:37:56 pm »
Hi guys I am contemplating changing from BMW for the first time (small scramblers excluded) - the 2 bikes I have been looking at is the 690 or the 640 ADV.  I would like to hear what you (owners - riders) have to say about each one or hopefully someone who had both.

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2011, 02:41:42 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2011, 02:54:34 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   

Then I would say look at the Yamaha Tenere, the standard 690 is too extreme to do 600km a day on, the Adventure version maybe, but if I was looking at something smaller than an 800 GS that can do kilos in comfort, and that has very good offroad ability, I would look at the Tenere.
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2011, 03:42:46 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   

Then I would say look at the Yamaha Tenere, the standard 690 is too extreme to do 600km a day on, the Adventure version maybe, but if I was looking at something smaller than an 800 GS that can do kilos in comfort, and that has very good offroad ability, I would look at the Tenere.
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2011, 03:49:01 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   

Then I would say look at the Yamaha Tenere, the standard 690 is too extreme to do 600km a day on, the Adventure version maybe, but if I was looking at something smaller than an 800 GS that can do kilos in comfort, and that has very good offroad ability, I would look at the Tenere.
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 03:50:52 pm »
F800!!!!!! keep it man

with all due respect sitting with a single cylinder on  600 kms a day will kill u


660 and 800 GS weighs the same (actually Tenere is heavier) but the 35 kw vs 62 kw moer of a diffs




PS u stay in northen cape go 690 !!!
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2011, 03:54:28 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   

Then I would say look at the Yamaha Tenere, the standard 690 is too extreme to do 600km a day on, the Adventure version maybe, but if I was looking at something smaller than an 800 GS that can do kilos in comfort, and that has very good offroad ability, I would look at the Tenere.
wel wat van die 660R  ???

660R is a cool bike, but limited tank range and wind protection would make trhe difference to me...

Plaashaas, the 800 GS saddle is kark, Tenere's better by a mile.... :biggrin: weight is similar, yes, but the aim seems to be for a smaller motor here...with better offroad abilities, the Tenere is better offroad.... 8)
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 04:00:06 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   

Then I would say look at the Yamaha Tenere, the standard 690 is too extreme to do 600km a day on, the Adventure version maybe, but if I was looking at something smaller than an 800 GS that can do kilos in comfort, and that has very good offroad ability, I would look at the Tenere.
wel wat van die 660R  ???

660R is a cool bike, but limited tank range and wind protection would make trhe difference to me...

Plaashaas, the 800 GS saddle is kark, Tenere's better by a mile.... :biggrin: weight is similar, yes, but the aim seems to be for a smaller motor here...with better offroad abilities, the Tenere is better offroad.... 8)

The seat is not the issue - came back from the BASH in one go  - 1138km never felt the bum  :mwink: Look you need not tell me about the Yamaha - I loved mine - but the power is a little eish...  Maybe a 950?  Wish KTM had a 800 ;)
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 04:02:05 pm »
F800!!!!!! keep it man

with all due respect sitting with a single cylinder on  600 kms a day will kill u


660 and 800 GS weighs the same (actually Tenere is heavier) but the 35 kw vs 62 kw moer of a diffs




PS u stay in northen cape go 690 !!!

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 04:08:12 pm »
I have a 690R and can do about 400km a day on it.  The problem is I can not do more than 50km at a stretch on tar.  Its truly spectacular for sweeping dirt roads and 2 spoor mountain roads.  It can do everything else.  The main thing is that there is something better for everything else.
 

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2011, 04:11:05 pm »
Kurt - would like to still be able to do 600km a day on a trip with some baggage and the "veldpaatjie"  thing.  Everything I have been doing with the 800 - but a bit more "scrambler" if this makes sense.   

Then I would say look at the Yamaha Tenere, the standard 690 is too extreme to do 600km a day on, the Adventure version maybe, but if I was looking at something smaller than an 800 GS that can do kilos in comfort, and that has very good offroad ability, I would look at the Tenere.
wel wat van die 660R  ???

660R is a cool bike, but limited tank range and wind protection would make trhe difference to me...

Plaashaas, the 800 GS saddle is kark, Tenere's better by a mile.... :biggrin: weight is similar, yes, but the aim seems to be for a smaller motor here...with better offroad abilities, the Tenere is better offroad.... 8)

The seat is not the issue - came back from the BASH in one go  - 1138km never felt the bum  :mwink: Look you need not tell me about the Yamaha - I loved mine - but the power is a little eish...  Maybe a 950?  Wish KTM had a 800 ;)

Always difficult to recommend a bike, I use a KTM 990 because it suits my needs, but it is not a bike for everybody, I don't believe one exists, yes, a KTM 990 will do everything you are asking for, and I believe a logical step from an 800 GS, as long as you are ok with higher fuel consumption, I just thought you wanted to go down in engine size. Have you ridden a 990 yet? If not, give one a try, it might just be what you are looking for.
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2011, 04:17:00 pm »
Sorry boet ,,, ur profile says 800 presumed u had one - profile say u stay in Northern Cape which is awsome for dirt so therfore 690 ktm good choice

I was thinking that the power diffs between Tenere and 800 is massive

but ktm single more powerfull than Tenere

clearer ?

or did I misunderstand

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2011, 04:41:57 pm »
My 1st major trip on my Husky was together with a mate who had a 690.  We rode down to Himeville from Joburg in one day, 750 odd k's.  We stopped about three times to take a break and grab a burger or something, left at about 9:30 and got there just before dark - we werent pushing at all just taking it nice and easy all the way with some dirt thrown in occassionally.

I had modified my seat so it was fine for longer distances and my mate had an air hawk.

It was quite doable IMO, we were both tired when we got there but who wouldnt be after a day on the bike through rain and homicidal cars/cows/taxis etc?

Both our bikes had screens.  In fact I would say my bike was fairly comfortable all round.  Not as comfortable as my BMW Dakar which I have done 1300 k's in a day on before, but even on that one started to look forward to each fuel stop for a chance to stretch the legs and get the weight off your butt.

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2011, 04:42:23 pm »
Sorry boet ,,, ur profile says 800 presumed u had one - profile say u stay in Northern Cape which is awsome for dirt so therfore 690 ktm good choice

I was thinking that the power diffs between Tenere and 800 is massive

but ktm single more powerfull than Tenere

clearer ?

or did I misunderstand

 ??? :biggrin:



+1 I have a 800 but see your point as far as our roads go  :thumleft:
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2011, 05:37:09 pm »
Nimmo before you sell your 800 do one mod.

Get a steeringdamper from Adventurer. It should solve the headshake.
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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2011, 06:08:48 pm »
Nimmo before you sell your 800 do one mod.

Get a steeringdamper from Adventurer. It should solve the headshake.


Agreed except about the Adventurer part  >:D

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Re: F800 - 690 or 640 ADV - input please
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2011, 12:33:30 pm »
On our last trip my brother (690) and myself (640 Adv) did 780 km's in a day. The 690 did very well, only problem was lack of tank range so he had to strap extra fuel on the back, he also complained about the suspension being hard though one can always do a bit of adjustment to sort that out.

I was very impressed with the 640 Adv, she handled beautifully with that WP suspension soaking up every bad surface the road threw at her. Tank range was very surprising and she hadled quit well on the technical stuff. Having some wind protection also helped a lot as we experienced strong winds on the day. We did about 70 km tar which was the only drawback for the both of us.....man....singles do not like long tared stretches..... :-\
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2011, 06:12:40 am »
Also had the same predicament, rode a 800 gs for a few years, sold it and bought a second hand 690r, was worried about distance as we doing a Karroo trip in Feb . SO, yesterday left port shepstone and travelled mostly dirt up to Sarnie for a beer and home again via back roads, Nearly 600km in total, and with a airhawk she was a dream, cruised at 120km easily and never once even thought of my bum, will have to fit a screen some time to not only cut the wind but to hide the bulge in your pants when you accelerate.
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