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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2007, 03:53:46 pm »
The NEMA Act makes provision for hefty fines (up to R1m and or imprisonment).  In light of the mentioned act all 4x4, quad bike, adventure riding on non designated roads, etc ?? are all doing so illegally, unless authorization is granted, obviously after the appropriate application, from the Provincial or National Authority. 

Authorisation by oom Gert from the farm Nooitgedacht counts nada and he will most probably also face penalties.

I??m not a bunny hugger but IMHO if someone is caught contravening the Environmental laws opr any other law ?? it serves him right to look down the barrel of a gun.   The environmental law (NEMA) is equal to any other law in South Africa.


So next when a traffice officer pulls you over, he should have you get out of your vehicle hands in the air, and lay down on the ground so he can ask you to show your license? all this while pointing his side-arm at you?


GS met alle respek dis nou k@k stelling ek sal dit anyway "entertain"

As ek die sogenaamde traffic officer my stop omdat ek 120 in n 60 zone gery het - ja dan is ek meer as gewillig om op my pens te gaan le.  Dit werk regoor die wereld op die manier kyk maar na Europa, Amerika en Australie maar hier is n wet n riglyn en nie die kantlyn nie.

PS I said if someone breaks a law - last time I've looked it is not a crime to carry a drivers license - sorry I don't see the relevance ???
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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2007, 04:09:55 pm »
Well, it's a statement, and i have every right to make it, just like all the people currently writing in to the Herald, posting their opinion and support for Ruan Botha.

There are alway 2 sides to the story, we get the one written in the paper, voicing a lot of opinions, and how does one verify truth from hearsay.

Here is my take on the deal, I think the force used is utterly unnecessary...

I also think Alfie Cox is handling the matter with maturity, unlike the people writing letters to the Herald..

You do not have to entertain anything i write on this forum.. i did not write it to provoke you or become involved in a debate, i was just brining the statement of breaking the law  and staring down the barrel of a gun into perspective...
 

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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2007, 04:13:23 pm »
You do not have to entertain anything i write on this forum.. i did not write it to provoke you or become involved in a debate, i was just brining the statement of breaking the law  and staring down the barrel of a gun into perspective...


What you doing out of your corner???  :P

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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2007, 04:15:29 pm »
You do not have to entertain anything i write on this forum.. i did not write it to provoke you or become involved in a debate, i was just brining the statement of breaking the law  and staring down the barrel of a gun into perspective...


What you doing out of your corner???  :P

There was a guy with a gun in there... said im not supposed to live there.. something about tribal land...???

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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2007, 04:18:36 pm »
Please note I did never said neither Ruan Botha nor Alfie Cox was either wrong or right I merely said an environmental law exists and if someone breaks it I agree that he/she be apprehended by what ever required force.

Keep in mind we have up to date only heard the Cox side of the story and no comment from DEAET or Ruan Botha....I also do not agree with some of the letters found in the Herald.

O yes and please be assure that I will entertain any postings you made on this forum which include a quote taken from my posting FYI - so relax  ;) ;D
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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2007, 04:22:14 pm »
if i was any more relaxed i would probably be dead... ;D ;D

to the dismay of my boss..

 

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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2007, 04:36:27 pm »
Bossie

Can you explain the closure of Dune 7 to bikes and quads.

I would not know the reasoning behind it, maybe because it is a major national landmark recognised internationally and not a big heap of sand for some boys with toys to go play on. There is a relatively MASSIVE section of the dune belt unrestricted with 100's of dunes dedicated to quads and bikes; now why MUST you go ride on THAT specific one.

I am not certain (so don't quote me on this) but some sections of the dunes might have also been restricted on a more permanent basis for filming. These movies generate employment opportunities for local individuals and work for local companies and Namibians are managing this source of income sustainably; unlike the SA movie business which priced themselves out of existance (I ahve been told). Anyway, why should Namibia not keep a section of the dunes exclusively for making movies and still leaving a HUGE section of the dune belt for other uses. Sustainable resource management. Why must the entire sub-continent be left open for all and sundry to use as their personal playground.

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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2007, 04:53:46 pm »
I dont see what all the fuss is about.. it's just R10....

 

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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2007, 04:58:37 pm »
I dont see what all the fuss is about.. it's just R10....



No. That was the bribe offered. The fine was R 10 000. :rolleyes: :biggrin:
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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #69 on: July 23, 2007, 05:04:02 pm »
Aai tog, I am sorry ossaffer....I thought you said ten rand, not ten grand.
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Re: Alfie Cox fined R10 000
« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2007, 06:56:51 pm »
Response form the powers that be:

I am not aware of restrictions on dune 7. During the regulation
development forums it was agreed that two areas are set aside for
"private ATV riding" these areas are demarcated on a map on a brochure
prepared by the Municipality of Walvis Bay (see attached).

Following your mail I telephoned both the Ministry of Environment and
Tourism (MET) regional head office and the Environmental Section of the
Municipality of Walvis Bay, both authorities are responsible for
monitoring and law enforcement; neither is aware of any changes to the
"free zones" on the map attached.

The ultimate authority is the MET and a permit is required to go off the
road anywhere in their area of jurisdiction (the entire coast outside
the municipal areas). Two areas (Long Beach and Dune 7) have been set
aside in the dune belt for private recreational all terrain vehicle use.
A free permit to enter the "free zones" is obtainable from the MET
offices in Swakopmund or Walvis Bay (the contact number of their head
office is ++264 64 404576, the head of the region is Cletius Maketo, his
email address is cmaketo@met.gov.na ). Keep in mind that this email
address is experiencing problems right now!

According to MET there are two quad bike tour operators, one at Long
Beach and the other at Dune 7, it is possible that they could be
spreading misinformation, as the "free zones" clash with their tour
routes.

This issue together with many other related issues is busy being
addressed by the forum mentioned above and the NACOMA project is
facilitating this process. We hope to have resolved many of the present
problems prior to the next holiday season.

Hope this helps please inform your colleagues that we are trying our
best to accommodate these activities and do not want to resort to
draconian measures. However, if a few people continue to abuse the state
land and Namibian recognized authorities, especially outside these "free
zones" a moratorium may be considered until all the relevant controls
are in place. To get these controls in place may take some time.

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